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They could have made it a slightly other number to keep us guessing.
Wout
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Absolutely love it. 
The US should simply tell the bank to pay the fine to EU and that they'll collect DB's fine instead from Apple. 
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Definitely. The net result would be DB paying tax in EU, and Apple paying tax in the US.
Would this be a ploy to make these evil corps pay more taxes in a roundabout sneaky way?
Wout
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Well, if you would be in the business, you would know that 14 billion is the answer to life, the universe, etc...
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One big difference in the fines . . .
"$14 billion fine of their own to Deutsche Bank to settle an outstanding probe into the company's trading of mortgage-backed securities during the financial crisis."
DB took part in a morally criminal enterprise from the world is still recovering. Really, if the EU thinks Apples deserving of a $14B fine for entering into an agreement with a sovereign government than Deutsche Bank should pay many times that amount.
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You're still angry! (I knew it)
I'll give you this, going back on the Ireland/Apple deal is sub optimal. But from the EU point of view having had to bailout Ireland in 2010 worth of 85B, the EU figured it had to have a closer look at where all this money was going. So Ireland was kinda sovereign, but not so sovereign when it needed 85B.
Wout
modified 16-Sep-16 7:40am.
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wout de zeeuw wrote: You're still angry! (I knew it)
Actually, amused.
Don't you see? the bigger picture? It's a new version of a trade war! The overseas competitors will be driven out of the country by excessive fines through the legal system. It's much like keeping products out with tariffs!
Pay attention !
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Definitely seems they're trading blows at the moment. Not as much a trade war, but a war of governments trying to recuperate some of the tax payer money from big corps and banks that went into bailouts.
Wout
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8 years later...
That's not due diligence or degree of complexity. That's simply politics.
Pathetic.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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“The Commission’s investigation concluded that Ireland granted illegal tax benefits to Apple, which enabled it to pay substantially less tax than other businesses over many years. In fact, this selective treatment allowed Apple to pay an effective corporate tax rate of 1% on its European profits in 2003 down to 0.005% in 2014.”
Chris Maunder wrote: 8 years later...
Yup - politics - only apparently the US government is, by comparison, quite on top of things!
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Answer: A Flamongo! 
*) Stupid riddle of the day
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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Sounds like a fabulous pawn.
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Well, a joke is normally not funny when you have to explain it, but it's a game of words. Here's a couple of links to help you get it: 1[^] 2[^] 
I found it hilarious when I heard it, anyway...
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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OK, my deepest apologies for ruining the joke, I read it too fast and did not see the flamOngo
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No problem. It's not MY fault that I never get sent the really FUNNY stuff like Griff... 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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You need a better class of mates!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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class Mates
{
}
class BetterMates : Mates
{
}
There you go.
(Its nearly home time on Friday, that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it).
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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class Mates
{
private Random rand = new Random();
private bool wifePermitting = false;
public virtual bool GoForADrink()
{
return (rand.Next() % 2) == 0 && wifePermitting;
}
}
class BetterMates : Mates
{
public override bool GoForADrink()
{
return true;
}
}
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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is our browser at work. Of course, no other allowed. And firefox "protection" function sucks : at least twice a day I cannot open a website because FF thinks it is unsecure or whatever they call it, and I cannot add an exception, etc... Oh mozilla, just let me turn this nonsense off with a setting, pleaaaaaase....
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I asked that in the Moziall official FB page and was bashed by a lot of people telling me "you want to put at risk millions of people just because you know what you're doing?".
Apparently my response that people who didn't know what they were doing shouldn't be allowed near a computer wasn't well received...
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Well, I do not need it to be standard, but at least be able to switch it off would be interesting.
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That was what I was asking, an option in about:config. The answer: "every user will enable it and it will be useless".
1) If every user would disable it maybe it is an unwanted feature?
2) It's my fraking browser.
I don't want to use Chrome as I find it more cumbersome and less intuitive than FF but soon I'll be completely sick of all FF blockades. No access to port different form 80, with obscure configuration options to add in order to whitelist specific port numbers, asking each time for the "obsolete" plugins...
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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den2k88 wrote: I find it more cumbersome and less intuitive
Could you elaborate on that ? I find Chrome much more intuitive, so now I am curious about what FF can do better. (the separation between navigation and search bar is one thing that belongs to the past, for instance).
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