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OriginalGriff wrote: You just need to remember that being rude to morons doesn't help anyone...but it's damn tempting...
sooooooooo tempting though.... 
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Go for 100k 
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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OK, it didn't do much, just told me the screen size in internal units and updated it when the device rotated, but...
It's taken me two and a half days to get here, and I just wanted to share! 
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So you gave up on the emulators?
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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So sloooooow! Even using the x86 images, it's horrible!
I'm used to "F5"...app running.
Not "F5"...emulator loads...Android starts...still starting...go for coffee...still starting...eat sandwich...started! Loading package...read paper..."Hello World!"
I started using the "Windows 8.1" option instead, because at least it ran in human scale times, rather than glacial - but I wanted to try and check it on a real device.
And I need to deploy it for "real world" testing at some point, so I might as well get the pain out of the way now...
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Do you have to start the emulator each time you want to debug something? Last time I tried something with android I could just use a running emulator and just push the app to it to debug. There was no need to completely shut down and restart the whole OS.
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I tried that, but the second build failed because the target was in use - which I assumed was because it was still installed on the emulator, even if it wasn't running.
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Nicholas Marty wrote: ...I could just use a running emulator and just push the app to it to debug. There was no need to completely shut down and restart the whole OS.
This is how I do it (all day long). I will even sometimes close Eclipse and restart it, all the while leaving the emulator open. When Eclipse starts back up, it'll find the emulator.
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Oddly, I'll be heading down that trail.
Progress so far: an Android device*
* (Samsung Galaxy gotten free from a bank for getting their credit card)
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I'm using the Xamarin Forms in VS2015, and it's a bit...um...not "mass market" yet. Where you expect VS to install, create a project and go for it, it just doesn't work like that. Partly that's because it's cross system dev, but partly because it's implemented very clumsily, I think.
If you ignore emulators, and debug Windows 8.1 apps then check via real Android hardware it seems to be a lot smoother.
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Another post like that and you'll have successfully talked me out of it.
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There's pain, yes - but I'm prepared to accept some pain up front if it reduces the hassle downstream. And after all this is trying to cross develop, which is always going to be more complex than developing on the target directly.
But I think the potential rewards are worth it.
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It's just a one-time thing.
/ravi
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Are you able to debug then, running on the device? Even after allowing adb soft breakpoints, I was still unable to use F11 in Xamarin. From a while back...The Lounge - CodeProject[^]
I haven't tried it (Xamarin) in a couple of months, but will probably get back into it sometime this week. 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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Yes - I just tried it and a breakpoint in VS stopped promptly when it was hit. I can review variable content, but (obviously) I can't edit-and-continue (damn, but I'd got used to that working!)
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Also "Set Next Statement" isn't supported. 
/ravi
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At present I don't have to worry about mobile development As you can't get much information about insurance on the devices in the way that the company works. 
Every day, thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians.
Help end the violence EAT BACON
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Android Studio and Java is so much easier.
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I've a reasonable amount of C# codebase I'd like to leverage into mobile, and Xamarin looks like it should be a good way to do that. If it doesn't work, then at least I get a familiarity with some of the Android application way of doing things without having to learn Java.
If it does work, then a large chunk of my .NET experience can carry over instead of having to work out how the Java / Android framework operates.
And in theory, I get iOS and UWP thrown in, which might be useful one day!
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OriginalGriff wrote: I've a reasonable amount of C# codebase I'd like to leverage into mobile
Me too. But even if I didn't, I doubt I could go back to using Android Studio and Java to build Android apps.
/ravi
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That's one small step for a man, one small crawl for mankind.
Congrats 
cheers, Bill
«There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008
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Isn't Android fun? I'm having a blast porting a large C# Win desktop app to Android!
/ravi
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Is that the new thing?
"Hello, world, I'm yay big"?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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May <your favourite deity> have mercy on your soul... 
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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