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Once you start learning a little bit about quantum mechanics you can't help but agree.
The fact that the universe doesn't hold the position of every particle in "memory" but a probability simplification... That's exactly what I'd do to save resources if I were to program a universe.
The fact that there is a speed limit (light speed) is so weird that I have to think it's done because otherwise the processing speed required would be infinite.
It makes perfect sense.
Oh! I almost forgot... Did you know that the universe has a "resolution"? Yup. 0,000000000000000000000000000000000001 meters is the smallest possible size for anything
Just a Bean, trying to ket some sleep...
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I know a lot about QM and I don't agree. Without the facts of physical law you mention, the inflationary Big Bang, the coalescence of matter into stars, and the arisal of organisms that can figure these things out would not occur. Therefore, such facts of physical law are logically necessary. This is the weak anthropic principle.
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I don't know a lot about QM, but a quick search for weak anthropic principle tells me that you are using a philosophical definition as counter-argument. I agree with the fact that we evolved to be compatible with the universe that surrounds us. But that doesn't imply that the universe is real. If anything, it says that we are simulations compatibles with the simulation that it is our universe.
My point was that if I were to simulate a universe I would probably take some shortcuts, such as the ones we can see in QM
Just a Bean, trying to ket some sleep...
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I don't know a lot about QM, but a quick search for weak anthropic principle tells me that you are using a philosophical definition as counter-argument.
Um, no, I made the counterargument and then gave the definition of it.
But that doesn't imply that the universe is real.
Logic failure. I didn't say that it implies it ... I gave, as you said, a counterargument to the claim that we must be living in a simulation. An argument that P isn't necessary is not an argument that (not P) is necessary.
If anything, it says that we are simulations compatibles with the simulation that it is our universe.
No, it doesn't say that, which is exactly the point. We might or might not be within a simulation. The claim I am refuting is that, because of certain features of the universe, it must be a simulation. But there's no reason to accept that claim.
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I think Life is a Video Game is probably a pretty good analogy. Which is similar to what Elon is saying.
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We most certainly live in a holographic Universe and we are most certainly AI's in the making. However, that simulation does not run on any computer, it runs inside our very soul which is part of the Creator soul. That is age-old wisdom from the Zohar, 3000 years old. And as it were, the conclusion of quantum mechanics.
Cool to see that Elon is starting to get it 
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Yeah, I wrote a model of Physics based on that idea and it found Space curved and pi in no time. SURELY we can characterize Life in such way, but maybe that particular statement.
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To suggest that we must living in a computer simulation is to disregard the extra dimensionality of reality. It means only that our most advanced technologies tend toward the state of our reality. I think it would be more accurate to suggest that the knowable limits of our reality have much in common with computer simulations. A computer? Really? BIGGER! Think outside the hyper-cube
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Nice to know that Musk believes in God - er, I mean "The Architect."
I hope that Musk has enough of a hold on reality to renounce the belief that he is "the One." Otherwise I'll be facing one day as he moans "It's not fair. It's not fair!"
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Is this the same guy who thinks that non-recyclable batteries that charge from coal power plants is more green than fossil fuels? (Maybe he is just HOPING it's a simulation because he realizes he is his own worst enemy?) LOL
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You're mouthing fossil fuel industry propaganda.
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I think Elon Musk hasn't been rebooted in a while.
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Well,
That's just an opinion of Musk (Who is he? Should I know him?), but, in a certain sense also a very old one. Plato concluded several thousand years ago, that the entire individual human existence is tied up with observations by the senses, and, what the mind makes of it. Pascal came to the fundamental point, In essence, his argument was "I must Exist, because I can question my own Existence"! (I Observe Mijself Thinking, So I Must Exist)(I Think, so I am) Emanuel Kant subsequently argued that the existence of anything outside the human observation through the human senses, can never be proved or disproved. So, the existence of any Supernatural God, can be neither Proved or Dis Proved. What Musk states here is a believe, or a religion. He believes it, and good luck for him. Others believe in Jesus Christ, Allah, Zeus, or the Easter bunny. All these believes are irrational, and hark back to the dark ages, when humans started to populate the world, and, having been given a rational brain which tries to see order, classification and reason, finding themselves in a nature which favors Chaos.
Well, Musk may be right or wrong! There is just absolutely no way of knowing, so there is no point of getting excited about it.
We Do already know that we live in a strange universum, where Quantum Mechanics and Relativity Theory stretch common sense and observation to the limit. I am a materialist, and, am much derided for that opinion by many philosopher old friends. I believe that the human brain is essentially a computer, the complexity of which we are only beginning to understand. Not a Binary Computer, each synapse in our brain can issue outwards, and react inwards to, at least 5 types of signal. Imagine this combined with the fact of several billion of synapses. The computing power, if properly organized, becomes Immense.
Now, I hear someone say, because of this complexity, some higher intelligence, i.e God, must have built this. The argument of the watch on the beach.
My Argument is here that we, as humanity now exist. All sort of unlikely things just happened to fall into place,an humanity emerged, just all by unlikely chance. However, we are trying to explain our own existence! Had the confluence of events worked differently, and created a world without human existence, no humans would have existed to ask the question.
Regards,
Bram
Bram van Kampen
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It's taken him this long to stumble upon the Simulation Argument?
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. - Liber AL vel Legis 1:40, Aleister Crowley
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This is a very interesting proposition and I would like to know if Musk has thought about the theological implications of his claim. I mean, his idea (which is apparently just a stronger conviction about one of three possibilities proposed by an Oxford professor) presupposes the existence of a being or group of beings (let's call it 'realm') 'running' this simulation so, unless he adheres to some form of infinite regress (every realm up the ladder from ours is itself a simulation, ad infinitum), there must be a realm that is not itself a simulation, or 'base reality' as he calls it.
Here is a competing claim: "Then God said: 'Let us make humankind in our image, after our likeness.'" Is this the kind of simulation he has in mind?
Juanfer
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Huh! Imagine that, a rich man dehumanizing us all... If we aren't human, nobody should need his products, and if they do procure any, shouldn't have to pay for them.
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And his mathematical or empirical proof is ... ?
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It still is not Friday, but I kinda was expecting someone to recognize this wonderful bit - and to express that).
Vintage Jethro Tull, A Passion Play.
This is the story of the hare who lost his spectacles
Owl loved to rest quietly whilst no one was watching
Sitting on a fence one day
He was surprised when suddenly a kangaroo ran close
by
The Story Of The Hare Who Lost His Spectacles - YouTube[^]
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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Will check this post tomorrow 
In Word you can only store 2 bytes. That is why I use Writer.
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According to my time-travelling friend, it won't have improved any!
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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To be fair, it wasn't entirely clear what you wanted us to do. I knew where it was from. I just didn't know that you needed me to say so!
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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I was intentionally vague to leave room for interpretation. But I did use the word "quiz" to encourage some sort of reaction.
: )
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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Me too!
I knew the band, but I couldn't see a question! 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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