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If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Visual Studio has become so bloated it's unreal.
I know and it's unfortunate that installing a new version just leaves the old versions out there.
Well, I guess they could say it is for compatibility reasons.
Anyways, the Desktop version is still uninstalling and the progress bar hasn't moved even though it's been like 35 minutes or something.
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Quote: I know and it's unfortunate that installing a new version just leaves the old versions out there.
That would require everyone to upgrade at the same time so that Solutions can be loaded.
Some people are very slow adopters.
From an aesthetic point of view, the last version I liked was 2010. All the new versions are flat and should have come standard with an intravenous caffeine dispenser. ![Java | [Coffee]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/coffee.gif)
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Really? VS2015 Enterprise Update 1 takes up 218MB on my machine. Around 1GB with all the web packages. I agree it got a ton of bloat in the past. But this new update is super slick!
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When all is said and done, even MS says it takes up about 10GB[^]. That's like 3-4 times more than Windows itself, and for what? It's not media intensive, like a video game would be... it's a fancy text editor that can be slow (try working with XAML) with a compiler or three behind it.
It's bloated.
Jeremy Falcon
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Ok, I am curious: Can you add plugins like the Windows Installer XML (WiX) to the Community Edition? What about Microsoft's Ribbon plug-in? I have no use for it, if the answer is negative. I suppose the 2015 versions of VS are still native 32bit apps, not 64?
Later edit: See this thread:
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How do we preserve the wisdom men will need,
when their violent passions are spent?
- The Lost Horizon
modified 3-Feb-16 12:45pm.
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I just looked for a project using WiX installer and couldn't find anything in community 2015.
Maybe there is some way to get it but it doesn't look like it from my initial search.
Also, I can't tell if it's native 64 bit version or not. Installed on a 2014 R2 server 64 bit vm but I just can't tell if Community 2015 is true 64 bit or not. Very difficult to tell. Looks like it is installed under Program Files (x86) though.
I built a winform as 64 bit and tried debugging and it allowed it so maybe that is fixed, not sure.
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Thanks for your response. To add WiX functionality in the past, you needed at least the Pro version of VS. That probably still applies - A pity.
I don't think any versions of VS are native 64bit apps. Yes, they can build 64 bit apps, but the VS engines themselves have always been 32 bit.
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need,
when their violent passions are spent?
- The Lost Horizon
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Use SharpDevelop to Create and Compile your WIX projects.
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Community is Pro with a different license.
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Probably, it's close to the same as Professional, most obvious difference is the omission of TFS support.
Comparison chart here[^].
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I cannot find any reference to the Windows Installer on the chart. I have also tried Google, but cannot find a direct answer to my simple question: "Can I add the Windows Installer XML (Wix) to the Community Edition of Visual Studio 2015?" If any one knows the answer, please let us know. It's kind of important to me. In previous versions of VS you had to have at least the Pro version for this plug-in.
I do not want to go through the whole rigmarole of installing VS 2015 Community Edition, just to find that I cannot have WiX!
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need,
when their violent passions are spent?
- The Lost Horizon
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As far as I know, Community Edition is identical with Professional when it comes to features. I remember reading that the only difference is the license.
I haven't used WiX, but I have no problem installing all other kind of add-ons, free or paid. I see no reason why Windows Installer should behave differently.
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Yes, you can use WiX and other extensions, such as Laurent Kempe's excellent Git Diff Margin, with VS Community Edition.
Note that WiX toolset does not currently appear in Tools/ Extensions and Updates for VS2015 (any edition); it must be downloaded directly from WiX Toolset[^]
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I expect that still doesn't include SSDT and SSDTBI -- correct me if I'm wrong.
Regardless, why would anyone want "everything"?
At work, I have VS 2012 Ultimate. I do only a very small amount of WinForms development in C#. I mostly do SSIS, which means adding SSDTBI. Also we use TFS. Everything else included in VS Ultimate is wasted on me. I could probably use VS Express with SSDTBI and access TFS only through the command line and Shell Extensions (or whatever they're called) -- I already have my own console utilities to do certain things in TFS via the API.
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You must have an existing install of Visual Studio 2015 Professional, Enterprise, Express for Web, Express for Desktop or Express for Windows 10 to apply this update.
Doesn't mention Community edition, but if it works in Pro, then it works in Community.
SSDT-BI for Visual Studio 2015 isn't out yet. It's expected some time after SQL Server 2016 is released.
Consider yourself corrected. 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Richard Deeming wrote: Consider yourself corrected
No, I thought the OP was saying that Community came with everything already included. So I'll consider my argument supported.
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You trust the various VS uninstallers to properly clean up after themselves?
All the different versions of VS I still need to hang on to go in a separate VM. Cleanup doesn't get any easier than that.
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You are so right.
They are still uninstalling --- and it doesn't give me the feeling that they're going to clean themselves off properly. Ugh!
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In my company I have an old PC which is now surviving the VS 2005, 2008, 2010 and 2012.
With all its "updates" and "service packs" it is a mess in the software settings 
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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Your PC is 10 or more years old? I suggest you talk to your boss about a new machine!
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need,
when their violent passions are spent?
- The Lost Horizon
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My PC's only 3 years old; but I have versions of VS as old as 03 installed on it. I've got 03, 08, 10, 12, and 15.
My next PC here definitely won't have 08 or 12 since I've upgraded everything I care about that was done on it to 2010 solutions and never used 2012 in production. I might be able to get rid of 2010 too by upgrading all my solutions again to 2015.
I'll still need 03 for regression checking though; the version of the app build in that uses a custom grid that won't compile to newer versions of the framework. (Not sure why, I spent about a day trying to make it work in 08 (05?) years ago before cutting my losses and porting to the new far less sucky .net 2.x datagridview class.)
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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I know. Unfortunately, it all becomes a huge mess.
Maybe that's Microsoft's "upgrade" plan.
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can't upgrade 2013, but you have to uinstall and install 2015 seperately
That's not true. You can't upgrade vs2013 to vs2015 neither do you have to uninstall vs2013 to install vs2015. They are totally separate products. Same with older version. They work parallelly without interference.
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right. separate products.
Imagine if your web browser were the same way.
You'd have 629 versions of Chrome on your machine. 
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