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I don't have time for this anymore in life. Bye bye.
Jeremy Falcon
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Good call. Me neither.
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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I knew an electronics engineer who took an iPad apart and he said that the design of the product was of an extremely high quality.
The only Apple product I have is one of the old iPods with an 80gb hard drive.
I have tried to persuade myself to buy an iPhone or iPad, however whenever I do this and weigh up the benefits and costs I always find that I already have everything that these two pieces of hardware would provide.
The way I see it is that Apple products are luxury products aimed at the top end of the market, price-wise, at a price most Western working people can just about afford - however I have no need for luxury electronic goods, which is why I don't pay that extra to get that little bit less(Apple locking everything down).
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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It's not just Walmart, remember that Apple itself has already gone through that after Jobs was fired.
The question is, how long will it take this time around?
Considering they have a few hundred billions sitting in the bank doing nothing, I suspect a lot longer...
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dandy72 wrote: Considering they have a few hundred billions sitting in the bank doing nothing
I'll gladly babysit it. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: I'll gladly babysit it
They already have Ireland for that.
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Good point. I suppose it's time for me to become a Linux fanboy. 
Jeremy Falcon
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Apple worked (and succeeded) because they concentrated effort on a few select devices and built software (from the OS up) for these select devices. They never worried about backwards compatibility, because they knew that their customers would follow them wherever they went. This allowed them to concentrate on building very useable devices. Sadly, in the post Steve Jobs world, we see them spreading themselves thinner and thinner, becoming more of a fashion brand than a technology brand. As long as people are using their products, and pouring money into the closed garden, Apple will survive; but if they don't do something drastic and surprising I can see them being considerably less significant in 10-15 years.
Er, I can't think of a funny signature right now.
How about a good fart to break the silence?
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Walmart went to sh*t now
Interesting. I think Walmart is better than it ever has been, especially since they came online with their website.
Perhaps the location makes a difference. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I shop at Walmart as a last resort; I detest having 15 or more check out stations with only 1 or 2 open and a line of people at each one.
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Tim Carmichael wrote: I detest having 15 or more check out stations with only 1 or 2 open and a line of people at each one.
That doesn't happen at the 1 or 2 that I shop at. 
Self-checkout is great; unless you have a lot of stuff.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: Perhaps the location makes a difference.
All I can say is that, in the south at least, more often than not they've gone through crap ringers. I've found most of the associates aren't helpful and have very little knowledge of what is going on with the store. I used to work at Walmart as a kid before getting into tech for living, and back in the day Sam Walton was known for going to stores and letting go of unhelpful associates on the spot. Those days are gone.
But if your Walmarts are nirvana, cherish them man. Cherish them like the jewels they are.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: and back in the day Sam Walton was known for going to stores and letting go of unhelpful associates on the spot.
I see. I'm originally from California and didn't have Walmart until later in life. It's always been mostly the same for me. Rarely are there helpful associates but that is my expectation so I'm not let down. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I think you should've started thinking before you bought an Apple product 
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Chris Maunder wrote: involve more and more hidden UI cues
What like having to move the mouse the the top right/left hand corner of the screen to make some option appear. I don't think it is just Apple!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Microsoft has been suitably skewered for Windows 8, and they did well to back down, admit they messed up, and rework a bunch of their stuff.
I give them cred for that.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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I've spent years rebutting any suggestion to buy an Apple from the other half. Her professional cohort all own them. Now she wins an iPad air for renewing her professional membership. I was impressed by how easy it was to get it up and running. Yes I did spend time taking the packaging apart looking for the quick start instructions.
Now I can't find how to get to CP pages accessed by drop-down menus e.g Help>Bugs and Suggestions.
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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If the device is iOS 9, menus don't work.
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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That's helpful.
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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Something got changed which broke all web menus. At least MS tries to stay compatible. Apple seems to break things for the sake of breaking them.
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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Chris, face it - you're getting older. This phenomenon started years ago in the video game market, and then exploded with the advent of smartphones. "UX" designers are creating modes of interaction that 'tweens and twentysomethings seem to inherently understand from prior exposure, but anyone older hasn't a clue how to use. The move toward the 'modern' UI, with flat monochrome graphics and little or no guiding text, is symptomatic. A lot of smartphone apps require dexterity that older folks can't achieve, due to small icons and close positioning. I've even seen desktop apps that call for triple-clicks  to perform certain actions.
The end result will be a divide between those that can speak to the machines, and those that cannot. Those that cannot, the aged and the poor, will therefore not be full participants in the society being created.
Software Zen: delete this;
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To quote a tropism, kill it with fire.
Software Zen: delete this;
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I don't think dexterity equates to discoverability. I also think that all those old people (ie over 35's  ) using new products probably have more patience than the younger generations.
We had to fight to understand how to use that old IBM AIX box!
cheers
Chris Maunder
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You aren't the only one who has been noticing the degradation in UI.
Interesting article discussing the UI designs:
How Apple Is Giving Design A Bad Name[^]
My experience has been that it's getting more like a point-and-tap adventure game, and less like a productivity tool every release. The flat UI fad is particularly horrible for being able to tell what are active elements.
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