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Yet another reason that we need images in The Lounge: Clickety[^]
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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MAITRE D: Ah, good afternoon, sir, and how are we today?
MR. CREOSOTE: Better.
MAITRE D: Better?
MR. CREOSOTE: Better get a bucket. I'm going to throw up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aczPDGC3f8U[^] 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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I'm curious if anyone's tried one of these?[^] I'm lusting after an XPS13 as my auto-Christmas gift; and Dell's willing to throw in the tablet for only $99 more. Assuming it doesn't have any major deal breakers (and can upgrade to w10 without issue); I'm half tempted to get it as a screw around device.
On the other elephant, that Dell's doing a promotion like this suggests that either there's something fundamentally wrong with it; or just that no one wants to buy a W8 tablet instead of Android/iOS one if they have to pay full price and that they just made too many of them as a result. One of these is a potential show stopper; the other just means a cheap toy for me.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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I've got one of the Venue 8 Pro models as does the wife. I think ours are the 5000 series and normally have it on me for taking notes in meetings and so on at work, but I forgot it today.
Is it worth $100? That is really your call. I think they were around that price a year back. Nothing fundamentally wrong with them but they were not worth the price they came out at originally. I think Dell made them during the time that they were desperate to get anything to sell.
To be honest they are pretty nice for a small tablet that you use as a small tablet. But! Make sure to read everything about the model you are getting. I think the 5000 is better than the 3000, even though the 3000 is the more recently released series. If I remember right at the time I picked it up, the 5000 had more ram (2gb vs 1gb) but a smaller storage capacity. That might have changed.
Long story short... we bought one for her ordered the active digitizer stylus and the stylus did not work. We were on the phone with Dell tech support trying to figure out what was wrong. Turns out at the time the older model supported them but the new one (the one we got) did not. Had* to return it, hunt down the one which did.
I ended up getting one for myself, got a Logitech BT keyboard for it, and for the most part it replaced my pen/paper and laptop for meetings since it is more discrete and syncs up with OneNote.
*Wife hates the fat stylus pens and wants a precise stylus, she was originally a graphic designer.
Edited for clarity.
modified 19-Nov-15 13:13pm.
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RJOberg wrote: But! Make sure to read everything about the model you are getting. I think the 5000 is good and the 3000, while newer, is really worth it.
Your phrasing here seems a bit off, did you make a thinko while writing it?
The one I'd be getting is the 3000 (assuming they don't fiddle the deal between now and when I give them my money anyway). I doubt I'd use a stylus so that's not really a factor for me in either direction.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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I think I was trying to think through two sentences at once and they apparently had a collision when they reached my fingers.
The 5000 is better to get if you want the active stylus. Unless of course they updated the 3000. The link provided in your post is to the 5000 series which is why I made mention of it.
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I bought 3 of these as Christmas presents last year (for the same price). Only one is still working. Our common failure was that they stop charging. I think the micro-USB connectors failed on both. I took a microscope to one of the failed units and could see that the connection pads had peeled off. I suppose there is a chance that this was caused by inserting a bad cable, but we use the same cable to charge phones and on other devices without issue.
Other than that, they are nice tablets. I prefer Window 8 on tablets (Windows 10 seems less thought out and like a step backward to me on tablets like this).
I wouldn't discourage you from buying one. While they worked, they were used a lot. I'd just say that you need to take very good care of the USB connector.
Keith Rule
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Hmmm. Not sure I like the idea of fragile USB ports.
How heavily were you using yours when they died? If I bought one, I'd probably only use it lightly and leave it sitting plugged in (or not) for a few days at a time. Unless I find myself compelled to write a metro app that needs tested on a tablet, it'd probably just be left near my reading chair for when I want to look something up on a half decent sized screen without fiddling around with my laptop.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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My two kids took them to school daily (rather than a laptop) and I used one nightly to read the news and read magazines using the Nook app. Mine died and my daughters died. My sons still works, but he's moved on to high-school and takes an old laptop to school for his web design class.
I really like the feel and form-factor of the Dell 8 Pro. So, did my kids. It worked great - until it stopped working. I wish mine was still worked.
Keith Rule
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If HP could sell their Stream 7 last year for $100, I don't see why Dell couldn't sell their version of the same product for the same price a year later.
FWIW, my Stream 7 was upgraded to Win10 without much of a problem. You gotta set your expectations though. A $100 Windows tablet won't perform like a $1500 Surface Pro 4.
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dandy72 wrote: A $100 Windows tablet won't perform like a $1500 Surface Pro 4.
Of course not. At the same time a baytrail atom has similar performance to a Core 2 computer from 8 or 9 years ago. While hardly a speed demon, as long as you don't overload the available ram, it's still fast enough for casual use.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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UK drone firm that raised $3.4m on Kickstarter collapses[^]
Delivered just 600 of the promised 15,000 and gone into liquidation.
Why do I get the feeling some of the Kickstarter projects are just a modern day Dot Com Bubble?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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There's a yotutube channel called, something like, KickStarterCrap - that guarantees a chuckle or two if you are bored.
I am not sure why these projects fail, after all they do all the following before hitting the funding round:
Prototype their idea
Source their manufacturer and material
Determine their costs per deliverable product
Calculate the time it will take to go from order to delivery per item
Oh silly me, of course they don't...
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
modified 19-Nov-15 9:20am.
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lol I subscribe to that guy, the channel is called iDubbbzTV. KickStarterCrap is just one type of video he does, there is other stuff on there too.
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OriginalGriff wrote: Why do I get the feeling some of the Kickstarter projects are just a modern day Dot Com Bubble?
Or simple mail/wire fraud.
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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If you are one of the investors the you would be Zano-Due?
New version: WinHeist Version You didn't fall from the stupid tree you got dragged through the whole dumbass forest.
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And in the Due-Due!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Sadly, they were not 'buying' a product but 'investing' to get something made. Investments can go down as well hit the floor gasping for breath before finally keeling over with a massive coronary brought on by overindulgence.
veni bibi saltavi
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In Italy these kind of initiatives enjoy very little success - we are used to con arists selling the Fountain of Trevi to unsuspecting foreigner rich men, firms that get money and then disappear and so on. Either you give something upfront or you don't get any buck.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
"When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey
"just eat it, eat it"."They're out to mold, better eat while you can" -- HobbyProggy
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Last time I was in Roma, I wanted to put my hands into the pockets and already found another hand in there. Looks like some people in Italy simply skip the part with the scam and reach into your pocket directly.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Don't you know the Public Place Dance? It's the repeated compulsive act of checking all of our own possession every 3-5 minutes or when we are touched by someone (in the bus for example) when in public places.
Also I heard of some italians abroad ashamed to have treated with the utmost suspicion a couple of girls that was gifting sunglasses as a part of sponsor campaign for a big company (Manzotin or Simmenthal, can't remember) because this kind of approach in Italy often ends up with a scam, a theft or a robbery if unlucky.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
"When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey
"just eat it, eat it"."They're out to mold, better eat while you can" -- HobbyProggy
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And in Napoli they simply make an offer which you can't refuse (unless you want to take your new overshoes for a swim in the bay). 
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Pointless precisation: the quote and the behaviour you described is the depiction of Sicilian criminality, which is pretty far from Napoli
As far as I saw in other nations people are much more relaxed, to the point that in London's Burger King (Piccadilly or Leicester Square, can't remember precisely) there were tens of warnings all over the walls that encouraged people to not put phones, wallets, house/car keys in plain sight over the table and to keep in check ersonal belongings. That comes so obvious and natural in Italy I was pretty amused that there is the necessity to actually tell it!
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
"When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey
"just eat it, eat it"."They're out to mold, better eat while you can" -- HobbyProggy
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It's probably a branch office!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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A competitor, actually. Sicilian Mafia, Campany's Camorra, Calabria's 'Ndrangheta, Puglia's Sacra Corona Unita and others I'm not aware of are very different between each other and act as competitors. In these "civilized" times they can even cooperate but always as distinct entities and with formal procedures with liasons, ambassadors and such. Basically they are autonomous States inside the State.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
"When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey
"just eat it, eat it"."They're out to mold, better eat while you can" -- HobbyProggy
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