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RyanDev wrote: I have never understood hatred towards Microsoft.
Simple; in the early days of DOS there were few remarks; but when Win3.1 hit the market, every hobbyist could look like a pro by nodding wisely at a failing system and sighing "Microsoft", like the sages they were.
RyanDev wrote: There is no one that even comes close to being as good as Microsoft.
Yup. Dominated the market for years. They defined design into things I can understand, even UI-design - focussing on things like repeatability, recognizability, usability and a lot of other ties. The "common controls" are the most used, that's saying a lot.
RyanDev wrote: If you are this upset at using Microsoft products, you might just kill yourself
using someone else's products. 
Things change; they always do. It is not the old Microsoft that favored developers, it is a new beast. We'll see how it goes, but I like the idea that it will become more interesting in the OS market than it has been for some time.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: but I like the idea that it will become more interesting in the OS market than it has been for some time.
yeah, me too. I'm kinda rooting for Android. It's got a looooong ways to go to be a real desktop os, but I like the quality I'm seeing. If all the dang desktop linuxes could converge to ONE desktop linux, they might have a chance. But they kinda don't seem to be. (I don't even know. Haven't been keepin tabs on desktop linuxes.)
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I hope they don't grow into a single OS; diversity means competition 
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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stephen.hazel wrote: I'm kinda rooting for Android. It's got a looooong ways to go to be a real desktop os, but I like the quality I'm seeing
We must not be reading the same articles, because all I keep reading about is how badly vulnerable Android is, and there's no clean solution because its users are at the mercy of their carriers.
Also, desktop OS? I've seen the x86 Android emulators, but I'm guessing you're talking about something else entirely...?
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You're not seeing quality in the Android code base? I am. And in their docs. Quality.
As for the updates, my Nexus10 is receiving patch updates.
I'm not talking major OS or service pack updates, either - patch updates WITH release notes that specifically say it is a security update only. Yeah, microsoft, i see no release notes from you. My at&t phone may not ever see those updates thanks to, well, at&t. But google is putting them out. And they wouldn't be doing that if they weren't planning on fixing the situation they're in now.
I'm definitely not talking about x86 android emulators - those are TERRIBLE. You're way better off testing on a real device.
I'm hoping to see the quality of the android code base expand to handle a real tablet PC that you can hook 2 monitors and 2 usb hubs to. Which, of course, is a loooong ways from reality. But I'd like to see it. I'd dump windows immediately, because so would the grammas who can't afford apple.
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stephen.hazel wrote: a real tablet PC that you can hook 2 monitors and 2 usb hubs to. Which, of course, is a loooong ways from reality. But I'd like to see it. I'd dump windows immediately
The irony of your statement is that the Surface Pro is already there, and has been there for a number of years now. I've used mine as my primary computer, hooked up to a USB hub that let me connect 3 monitors to it, plus my mouse, keyboard, and all other standard USB devices.
The only reason I'm no longer using it in that fashion is that I've seen upgrade to 4K, which my first-gen Surface Pro can't do.
How much longer are you willing to wait for this to be reality with Android?
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Well, yeah, I've got a 2-in-1 laptop, too (a lot cheaper).
It's got my 60" tv and a portrait monitor and 2 USB hubs with 4 midi devices, 2 wireless keyboards n a mouse, midi adapter, and external drive on it. It screams and I'm not goin back to desktops.
But I wouuuuuuld like to have an alternative OS that'll do that that can make microsoft jump again. An OS popular enough that grandmas will use it. I can wait another 10 years for Android to get there. But when it does, I'll look forward to closing my windows.
I mean, why are we ok with win8 coming out. LAME. win8 SP1 comes out. LAME. win10 comes out. LAME. Now we're on SP1 which is SUPPOSED to be non lame BY DEFINITION...
lame lame lame LAAAME !![^]
I, for one, think Microsoft deserves some shame for 4 major releases that get us nowhere better than win7
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RyanDev wrote: I have never understood hatred towards Microsoft
These are the bastards that "deprecated" Silverlight, never to be forgiven, never to be forgotten. And now they (and the rest of the industry) inflict the current web stack on us, what a dabacle.
I will give them some kudos for VS, Windows 10 (upgraded easily and simply) but they lose a LOT for their "telemetry" crap they distributing.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Eh... I give much simpler instructions.
"See that thingy that's asking you to upgrade to Windows 10? Click the button. Follow the instructions, then go watch TV for a couple hours. When you get back, it'll probably be ready for you to follow a few more instructions, and you're done."
Honestly, as operating system upgrades go, this is about the smoothest one I've ever seen. Had a couple minor annoyances right after the install, but 95% of things just worked exactly as before. It starts up faster, it never BSODs (I was getting those 2-3 times a week before I upgraded - Probably a corrupted driver somewhere), and it does all of that tedious upgrading while I'm at the office, instead of whining at me to reboot when I'm in the middle of a game.
It's not perfect, but it's an improvement... And it was free.
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sooooo you don't mind that loads of the people who use your software have had to wade through win8, 8sp1, win10, 10sp1 ??
sorry customer. sucks to be you. 10SP1 isn't as broken as win10, it's install didn't blow up for me, and it was free.
wheeeeeere is the rage i expected ?? We are on WINDOWS 10 SP1 !!
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Is it really that satisfying to be a victim?
My long term goal is to live forever. So far, so good...
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uhhh, I'm a victim because.....??
I am gettin by just fine on win10. I read. But my customers aren't computer programmers...
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If "loads" of people were using my software, well, that'd be nice, and I'd want them to be on a nice modern OS so things would be less likely to break.
So yeah, no rage here. Win10 hasn't annoyed me yet, and that's a pretty big accomplishment in and of itself.
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I saved myself the aggravation and stayed with 7.
New version: WinHeist Version You didn't fall from the stupid tree you got dragged through the whole dumbass forest.
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Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated!
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And breathe
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare
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Any new OS release is bound to have some issues with it, but all in all it works perfectly for me.
The one thing I am pissed about is the auto update mechanism which you can't switch off.
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Move out of granma's house ... cure your addiction to cat videos ... any pay something more for some decent ISP performance (given you install times).
All the small things revealed by you rant.
(and yes, there is a post category for that 
2 xbones, a surface pro and a desktop later ... no problems myself.
Not yet feeling at home with the new xbone UX, but time is my friend.
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"There were problems installing some updates, but we'll try again later. If you keep seeing this and want to search the web or contact support for information, this may help:"
Then a "Retry" button.
When you try to take care of the user that doesn't do updates by automating the process completely it really ought to work.
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Nope. Not particularly angry. There are other things to be concerned about than to get my shorts in a knot over an OS update. It works. I'm fine.
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend; inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -- Groucho Marx
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I fought the upgrade for awhile but after I finally went to it's fine. There's a couple of little bugs here and there but they'll get to those in an update; nothing show-stopping. I'm actually impressed at how well it works with my complex set of development tools and utilities on here, I expected something to break. Nothing worth mentioning is wrong at this point.
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Hehe. I'm just going to sit here in my corner of the desktop usage share, and watch the newest Microsoft drama roll by with my pet penguin.
On a slightly more serious note, I did use the insider preview of 10 (now I have to work on my brother's machine, which got upgraded). It's junk the way I see it - especially if you're not using a standard setup. It feels more like they reskinned Windows 7 than did anything innovative.
Microsoft should stop trying so hard to be hip, and go back to the solid production machines they had a reputation for.
When I talk to people who don't even know what source code is, I open an editor window and say "This is what we go through every time you find a bug!"
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I too share your pain.
Recently I bought a Chromebook.It is refreshing to experience once again how a computer is supposed to work.
Seniors, in particular, should be spared the suffering of using an OS requiring such relentless doses of updates as Windows does. If all they need to do is browse the internet, why should they be bothered with useless eye-candy desktop widgets?
Simplicity is a requirement for efficiency.
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Not sure I agree with the Chromebook part.
But yeah. So much needless suffering on end users' parts.
Microsoft's brand is being tarnished. And Microsoft is the one doing the tarnishing.
If they'd not released 8-10 to the public, and just went from 7 to 10 SP1, well, that probably would have been smart. I, being a computer programmer, felt I should suffer through it. If my users were gonna, I should. I didn't suffer cuz I'm a dang computer programmer. But why so much needless suffering for the grandmas out there. People have bought new computers to find out they can't even use them.
You can't just tell your customers
oh, 8 was beta.
oh 8 SP1 was beta.
oh 10 was beta.
oh 10 SP1 might be beta. We'll let you know...
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I like Windows 10 just fine. However, it has the same just slightly flakey feel as a Linux distro. Stuff doesn't always work just right. I think Microsoft may be telling us there is no longer any difference between Windows and Linux. I think they'll eventually be sorry they did that.
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