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I can't tell apart the Kannada from the maths! 
Awesome though 
Keep up the good work!
I'm aiming for a blog post each week 
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Sander Rossel wrote: maths
Well, comparing with your "Part 1" post, you seem to be off to a good start.
Do you mind if I ask what sort of degree do you have? I could't find anything on your blog. But surely, if maths is your enemy, you are not an engineer. 
I ain't got no signature.
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I have a Bachelor degree in Common Arts and Cultural Sciences and a Masters degree in Media and Journalism.
And yes, I am very much an engineer! 
I decided to get a degree in the software field though, which, unfortunately, has lots of maths involved.
I rarely need maths in my day to day programming and if I do it's rarely more than a percentage, a div, reminder, that sort of simple stuff.
Maths is one of the few things I'm really very bad at.
And I only decided to get that degree because no matter how good an engineer you are some people will never take you serious if you don't have a degree in the field 
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Programming is maths.
It is almost nothing but having values, working out other values, doing things determined by those values.
Pure, undiluted maths.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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An excerpt taken from my first maths blog:
Sander Rossel wrote: When asking programmers about maths you’ll find two kinds of people, those who say you don’t need maths to be a good programmer and those who say maths is essential. Personally I think both are true. [...] For now, let’s put it this way: knowing a thing or two about maths gives you an edge as a programmer!
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That's not what I mean at all.
Those who think they don't need maths as a programmer think that maths is nothing more than A+B=C and variations upon that theme.
They don't know what maths is.
You don't need maths for programming, programming is maths.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Alright, let me fill in the [...] from my previous excerpt
Sander Rossel wrote: For some applications and industries you really don’t need advanced maths, but go into robotics, machine learning, statistics, or that kind of thing and you’re going to need maths, lots of it. And whether you need it or not, computers, programming languages and databases all wouldn’t exist without maths.
Sure, a function is a mathematical thing, just like collections, graphs, (bool) logic and what have you.
But to actually write a function or use a list you don't need the maths theory that goes behind it
To me it used to be somehow 'common knowledge' until I took up a book on maths
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Quote: I rarely need maths in my day to day programming
Was the bit I was originally replying to (on my phone so no quote).
Understanding the theory behind the maths you are using or not doesn't mean you are not using that maths.
Lots of people don't understand the biological theory behind getting someone pregnant, but they still manage to execute the process.
I like it when people say they haven't needed or used algebra since they were forced to learn it at school. I ask them if they've ever cooked a joint of meat. The cooking time is a fixed period of time multiplied by the weight of the joint plus an additional period of time depending on how well you want the joint done.
Or (for roast beef (cooked medium) for example) t = (25 * w) + 25 where t is the cooking time and w is the weight in pounds.
They're solving that equation each time they cook, whether they realise it or not.
You think you don't need maths in your day to day programming, I say that you are using maths, just without thinking about it or probably even realising it.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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That's an interesting point of view and I can only agree with you.
chriselst wrote: You think you don't need maths in your day to day programming, I say that you are using maths, just without thinking about it or probably even realising it.
The real question is if you need to thoroughly study it (to be a good programmer)
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Sander Rossel wrote: The real question is if you need to thoroughly study it (to be a good programmer)
Not at all.
I'm not even sure that studying maths would make you a better programmer (aside from the specific aspects of maths and specialty areas of programming you mentioned earlier).
Perhaps programming makes you a better mathematician?
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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chriselst wrote: Not at all.
I'm not even sure that studying maths would make you a better programmer (aside from the specific aspects of maths and specialty areas of programming you mentioned earlier).
We agree again!
chriselst wrote: Perhaps programming makes you a better mathematician?
I speak from experience, nope!
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Don't worry, when I was a simple student, thus attending all the courses, we began starting making math puns about two weeks after the beginning of the classes. In a couple of months we were actually discussing math in our coffee/cigarette pauses.
Engineering can be bad for your health.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
"When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey
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den2k88 wrote: we began starting making math puns
I already do that, but I still can't stand maths
den2k88 wrote: we were actually discussing math in our coffee/cigarette pauses
That's why I don't take those pauses
I'm not taking classes.
I study at the Open University so I do everything alone, from home, in the evening hours...
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Sander Rossel wrote: I study at the Open University so I do everything alone, from home, in the evening hours...
Which is basically what I'm doing now that I work full time. Or should I say, what I'm NOT doing... being a commuter and having a (small, but size doesn't matter) household really sucks up all the time, attention and energy I have available. You have all my respect
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
"When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey
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den2k88 wrote: Or should I say, what I'm NOT doing...
Sounds all too familiar!
I did one exam in the past year... 
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Math can be a lot of fun. It helps me to earn a lot of money, master my finances with a big surplus and even impress experienced craftsman. 
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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Sander Rossel wrote: I just spent an entire evening finishing an article on algebra (third article already) and I liked it.
It's absolutely great! And the really great thing is, by writing about it to teach others, you are really deep learning about it yourself. It's one thing to know something, it's a completely different level of knowing to teach it. Awesome work, Sander!
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: It's absolutely great!
Thanks!
Marc Clifton wrote: And the really great thing is, by writing about it to teach others, you are really deep learning about it yourself. It's one thing to know something, it's a completely different level of knowing to teach it.
Exactly! And I'm trying to keep it simple, because, as Einstein said: "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
Marc Clifton wrote: Awesome work, Sander!
Thanks again!
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Jeremy Falcon
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Not me. Because we're still using it.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Me too. Yay technology.
Jeremy Falcon
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Is that from a web forms application?
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Aye, although for security purposes I replaced the encoded string with lorem ipsum. But, it's the same principle, since a web forms app can easily have that big of a view state or more.
Jeremy Falcon
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