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yes, it's harder to explain.
Kirk 10389821 wrote: You would recommend just jamming out as the play goes along???
i see what you mean. i would not recommend this. and this is where terms and ideas often get mixed up. you were originally talking about (or meant) the composing of music but we both started talking about "the musicians":
Kirk 10389821 wrote:
Musicians should read/watch the play?
Should understand the meaning of the "Parts"?
Should know the entire story?
Should have a clue where the sequel might go?
change that to:
Composers should read/watch the play?
Should understand the meaning of the "Parts"?
Should know the entire story?
Should have a clue where the sequel might go?
and it works.
it might seem like a little difference but it's a actually a big thing. cheers.
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I would gladly compare a musical piece with a piece of software since people who actually create software and music are both artists.
Since I have the (bad) luck of being a software developer and a musician for many years I have found so many similarities between those two that in my opinion there is a very thin line that distinguishes them.
Let's see:
1) They are both underpaid.
2) they work long hours without any kind of recognition.
3) They may be self taught.
4) Artists are born not made.
5) It takes at least 10 years of study and practice to be considered experienced.
6) Good pieces of software and good pieces of music take years to create.
7) They both have to be constantly practicing new techniques ( technologies ).
8) There are "Mozarts" in programming and music.
9) They both should practice their arts as a hobby and not as a job.
10) Comparing a Piano player to a DJ ( RAD ) is like comparing a C Programmer to C# or Java Developer ( they are both musicians, but the piano player will always be the true artist ).
11) They both need stimuli and inspiration to work. Finding yourself idle in front of a monitor for many hours or days is called lack of inspiration ( and then suddenly estrus comes ).
12) Ask one million of programmers to write a software about something and then ask one million of musicians to write a song about something. You will get a million of different "scores".
13) A BA is a Director, a software architect is a conductor and a programmer is a musician.
14) Programming and performing music enhances Divergent thinking ( they don't give drums and guitars to CS students in campuses just for fun ).
And last but not least...
15) they fall in love with the wrong women.
And now let's do some replacements:
Don't you think, before the Music is written, that the Musicians should read/watch the play?
Don't you think, before the Music Software is written, that the Programmers should read/watch the play BA Document?
Should understand the meaning of the "Parts"?
Should understand the meaning of the "Parts" Business Processes?
Should know the entire story?
Should know the entire story Workflow?
Should have a clue where the sequel might go?
Should have a clue where the sequel next version might go?
Yes I do think so.
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I just realized that my brain is going badly...
After one year of development of web/Node apps, I'm going to think in a loosely/anarchy-way than my usual German-like/obsessive/strong-way.
Anyone knows a good recreation/detox place to wash my brain off any JavaScript trace, and restore the faithful C# mentality?
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Visual Basic 6.0 ...
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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To paraphrase John;
“VB6 is no more. VB6 has ceased to be. VB6 expired and gone to meet its maker. This is a late language. It's a stiff. Bereft of life, it rests in peace. If you hadn't booted into that old VM, it would not run nor install. It's rung down the curtain and joined the choir invisible. This is an ex-language.”
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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I forgot to add the joke icon, for which I am sorry.
And believe it or not, those who pay my salary still occasionally have me write programs in VB6 by request from our customers. I don't question their sanity. Truth be told I'm not afraid to code in VB6. 
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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S Houghtelin wrote: I don't question their sanity.
I do, and their ownership of a valid license for the IDE.
S Houghtelin wrote: Truth be told I'm not afraid to code in VB6.
Believe it or not, I enjoyed the langauge at one point. I also loved doing migrations; mixing languages is educative.
..but for anyone who is spending money on VB6 now: you don't bring out a new hollywoodmovie on a betamax video.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: I do, and their ownership of a valid license for the IDE.
The license as far as I know didn't expire when MS decided to stop supporting VB6, it was valid when it was purchased through our MSDN account all those years ago. Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think we are required to buy a new license for every project we code.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: ..but for anyone who is spending money on VB6 now: you don't bring out a new hollywoodmovie on a betamax video.
I've tried to extoll the virtues of using current languages on current technology, but when the customer only has Betamax machines, they want Betamax videotapes. If you don't have them, they will go to someone who has Betamax tapes and spend their money there.
VB6 is a dead language, I understand this... and I have migrated a few to C#, VB.NET and even to objective C. I think we are arguing the same point, I'm not saying VB6 is all that, I am saying I like getting paid. If it involves occasionally doing things in a manner I don't necessarily agree with I'll do it.
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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S Houghtelin wrote: I don't think we are required to buy a new license for every project we code.
No, you're not; is it still available on MSDN for download? 
S Houghtelin wrote: they will go to someone who has Betamax tapes and spend their money there.
Sometimes I forget I have the luxury to be picky. I will not sell cars with deprecated parts; even if the customer is paying, he is also paying for the best way to spend his money.
Which might mean that the recommendation would be to spend more on hardware, or sign a contract to take liability for all the risks involved in using outdated technology 
..and sorry for ruining the joke by taking the topic seriously
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Sometimes I forget I have the luxury to be picky. I will not sell cars with deprecated parts; even if the customer is paying, he is also paying for the best way to spend his money.
Which might mean that the recommendation would be to spend more on hardware, or sign a contract to take liability for all the risks involved in using outdated technology
I don't negotiate the deals, I just get the assignment and do the dirty work.
Have a good weekend.
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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S Houghtelin wrote: the dirty work.
Might be the name of another new best seller 
S Houghtelin wrote: Have a good weekend.
Tx, wish you the same
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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As other users, I really can't spit over VB6. Such a evil-machine payed my bills for over a decade, and STILL I'm using it because all the apps "spread" over time.
VB6 is not something toxic: I'd say something "sticky" instead. Your greatest effort is take it off your programmer life...
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Mario Vernari wrote: VB6 is not something toxic: I'd say something "sticky" instead.
A great way to put it, agree 100% 
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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Have you tried going back to an old Restore Point? 
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need,
when their violent passions are spent?
- The Lost Horizon
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Develop apps for home written in C# using German as the basis for all naming conventions.
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Just Do It.
Read some of your older C# code.
Find one change you would like to make.
Make it.
I have to change gears like this a lot. You get used to it.
It is like talking Politics, and then switching to Religion at a party ))
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To paraphrase John;
“VB6 is no more. VB6 has ceased to be. VB6 expired and gone to meet its maker. This is a late language. It's a stiff. Bereft of life, it rests in peace. If you hadn't booted into that old VM, it would not run nor install. It's rung down the curtain and joined the choir invisible. This is an ex-language.”
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Amsterdam?...and lots of option strict = on.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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..not really the first thing to pop into mind when saying "detox"
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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All the smoke of Amsterdam can't be worse than the absurd disorder of the JavaScript world.
It's much like saying "smoke is seriously unhealthy", but then everyone put new cigars on the market...
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Mario Vernari wrote: good recreation/detox place
Here[^]
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lol yes, that is a good one
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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No chance, sorry.
But there is enough stuff for Junkies in case of a turkey...Ajax, J- this and J- that and much more
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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Run around your house 7 times without thinking of the word "Tiger"
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(JavaScript - C#) / 2 = C++
New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.1 new web site.
I know the voices in my head are not real but damn they come up with some good ideas!
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