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Kirk 1038982124-Jul-15 7:07
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This sucks, and this is why software projects fail!

My suggestion is simple. Create the project outline for
the screens shown, and add for each button on the screen:

For each task you have:
- Create Screen/GUI
- Backend Business Logic
- DB Design/Interface
- Testing
- Validation
- User Feedback Processing
+ Button1
- All of these items
+ Button2
- All of these items

And just keep clacking away at it. For EVERYTHING you saw in the video.
Don't forget to add time to review Printing Components, Frameworks, have
graphics built. Every CONCEIVABLE thing that could happen.

Give yourself PLENTY of time at every point.

Whatever number you come up with, use that as the low end of the estimate.
Then Double or Triple that as the high end.

Now, for every 2 weeks of time, add 25% to the project for meetings,
and another 25% for lost time in meetings, and misinformation!

When you are done, you should have a VERY LARGE range, in which you should
have plenty of time to create what they asked for.

When the customer or the PM suggests this number is too big, ask them to PROVE IT.
Even better, ask them HOW they would prove it. When they suggest "We would go through
EVERY SCREEN, and review the logic", then say "Yes, given BETTER information, I could
produce a BETTER estimate. But that is not what I was given!"

Almost all of our projects start as a PAID "Define Phase". Where we Record the meeting,
and make the user walk through all of the screens, and explain what is and is not important,
who is and is not knowledgeable about each feature, etc. etc. etc.

I have 2 new projects. One has a 40hr Define phase. Another has a 90-120 day Define phase.

Train your PM to do a better job!

BTW, if your PM complains that your number is too big, explain that if you get it done sooner,
the company makes more money! LOL

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