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Marc Clifton wrote: And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay for.
Same should apply to condoms.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Same should apply to condoms.
Amen to that.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay
for.
I have to ask why not?
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Marc Clifton wrote: . Don't really feel like paying for Kaspersky (they don't seem to have a free version) and don't really trust something with Russian sounding name anyways.
Good call. Our company put Kaspersky on our machines and nearly everyone had a problem with it blocking something and slowing everything down. Luckily, most of us could uninstall it.
Terrible.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Do you even need AV at all?
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He will now! 
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harold aptroot wrote: Do you even need AV at all?
I wondered about that. It did maybe once a year pop up with some malware threat discovered.
Marc
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I stick with Microsoft's own Security Essentials, even knowing it's rated rather poorly these days.
Frankly as far as I'm concerned, as long as I'm not running without an AV altogether, and it's lightweight enough to do its thing and leave me alone, that's really all I want. I keep my systems up to date and like to think I'm following common-sense practices, and I've yet (in my 20+ year career as a software developer) to have a virus actually running loose on any of my own machines.
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Marc Clifton wrote: And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay for.
Can you elaborate on that ? How should AV companies earn money then ?
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By accepting bribes from malware makers, duh
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Marc Clifton wrote: And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay for.
I'd word that a bit differently...
"I think operating systems should be built securely enough that they don't need 3rd party anti-virus software."
Contrary to popular belief, nobody owes you anything.
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Mike Mullikin wrote: I'd word that a bit differently...
Exactly. See my other post replying to the mass of "why free?" questions I'm getting. 
Marc
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Maybe this[^]?
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: Maybe this[^]?
I'll try that on my laptop. Last time I tried it, I didn't have a pleasant experience.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: I didn't have a pleasant experience.
I had a number of bad experiences with the old XP versions on friends / family computers (that I had the honor of working on) where it became corrupted and was VERY difficult to uninstall. Not quite the level of trying to uninstall Symantec junk - but close. 
Contrary to popular belief, nobody owes you anything.
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Marc Clifton wrote: And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay for.
...and you'll get what you paid for...
Everyone needs to make money somehow, I don't mind paying for software if I get a good product and a decent amount of support (updates, patches, etc). Of course, what you charge should be reasonable for your expected users.
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Albert Holguin wrote: ...and you'll get what you paid for...
Everyone needs to make money somehow
Open Source anti-virus, with crowd-sourced signatures. Somebody needs to make it happen.
What could possibly go wrong?
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Kaspersky was previously with the KGB so you are wise not to trust him.![Rose | [Rose]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
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Not sure what to recommend for AV solutions - every one of them has had problems of some sort. Most reviews are not independent, they change over time, and even comparisons done in the same time interval seem to conflict.
Ratings of proper detection, false positives, impact on system (memory and cpu cycle footprint), ease of use and configuration, ease of central management, etc.
I was originally a Norton/Symantec guy but into the late 90s and early 2000s their software became a big, heavy, expensive brick. Unreliable, difficult to manage, slowed PC's to a crawl, and damn near impossible to cleanly uninstall. I also worked with McAfee during the same period (different clients) - overall better experience than Norton but still not a fan of their central management and detection rates. Since then I've either worked directly with or had clients (and friends/family) who had AVG, Avast, TM, Kaspersky, MSE (and WIndows Defender), etc. For network deployment Kaspersky is ok (I have no idea why you don't like them based on a "Russian sounding name" - please tell me that you don't trust Google, Apple, or MS!). For personal use I've been ok with MSE, but it certainly hasn't been perfect - small footprint but not 100% detection.
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http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/3-year-old-halifax-boy-gets-first-parking-ticket-1.2456489[^] 
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Good thing he's not in a US. And black.
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Someone was having a bit of fun[^] with fans eagerly awaiting detailed information about a major upcoming patch.
My question for the peanut gallery is, if you released something like this in place of normal patch notes, would any of your users actually notice.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Quote: NPC and player names are now less inclined to attack the user
Love it.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Hahaha, that was one of my favorites as well. 
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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