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So law 1 would become: "A robot may not injure an intelligent being or, through inaction, allow a intelligent being to come to harm".
I guess we'd need to stop eating meat in that case then (there was no clause about how intelligent a being should be)? 
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Brent Jenkins wrote: So law 1 would become: "A robot may not injure an intelligent being or, through inaction, allow a intelligent being to come to harm".
The problem with that is that the first sign that robots have achieved intelligence/awareness/consciousness etc. is that they will realize that human beings are not intelligent.
«I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.
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It's likely we'll just create something as dumb (or worse) as ourselves. I can imagine a future where there are specialist TV channels with robot-only reality TV programmes..
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Thanks, I'd never heard of Larry Niven. Good info.
Asimovs laws can be coded written in, but how do we keep our fellow humans from removing such safeguards?
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Asame Imoni Obiomah wrote: Asimovs laws can be coded written in, but how do we keep our fellow humans from removing such safeguards?
You have a similar problem with humans that were brought up properly, but turned bad in adulthood. Solve one problem, and you've solved the other. 
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Thanks for that Wikipedia link. There are tonnes of useful recourses linked that deal with this problem.
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You've got a bit problem here for a start: the term "intelligence" really means "human-like intelligence" so you're going to be trying to make something that "thinks" like us.
But we're all flawed so no matter how hard you try, you're going to build some (or all) of those flaws into whatever system you create.
Secondly, what is "ethical"? "Ethics" is different from country to country and between different cultures. How do you even start to think about quantifying it to the point that you can write an algorithm?
If you ask me, you're on a hiding to nothing. Try improving the "real" intelligence of the world first (a tough enough job in itself)
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Without intervention, the system will be able to overcome human flaws given time.
However, it would seem that our security against any artificially intelligent agent lies in it inheriting our flaws. So, instead of wiping our flaws out in their code, or allowing such an agent to cleanse itself off these flaws, we can amplify them and knobble its ability to communicate outside certain fixed bounds.
It's quite an engaging point you've raised about ethics. A true curveball indeed. The thing with an intelligent network though, is that variation enriches, so we could actually see both melding and growth in both culture and understanding.
We most certainly would lose with bigoted software (sounds so strange), so yes, bigotry would be a very important rule to hardcode from scratch.
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I am just wondering. Would it be nice to have a virtual development environment? like a portable all development tools(Database, IDE, local server, etc.) that you can insert in your USB, plugin to different computer and you don't have to setup everthing.
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Looks like it exists (from a very quick Google) SharpDevelop[^] apparently runs from a USB stick.
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yes there are plenty of portable IDE or source code editor. But the local server, and database setup, things like that. 
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I'm pretty sure that you can't run SQL Server from a stick - it's a set of services, and AFAIK they have to be installed into the system.
You could always create a VM with all your "favourites" loaded and put that on the stick?
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SQLite could work from a stick if I recall correctly.
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SQLite will - but it's a single user system, not multiuser.
Access and SQL CE will work from a stick as well.
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A matter of definition, it works with multiple users and is generally thread safe, but it uses file locking when writing, so it's not very useful doing so.
I would never run a multi user system from a stick in any case.
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Single user would work fine as you are working locally for development purposes.. for testing or simulating production workload that would require a dedicated server/computer. that is a great suggestion. thanks
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MySQL, MariaDB, PostgreSQL all run portably. I have done that with MySQL (  ) and MariaDB ( ).
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Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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I could not find on the site, but isn'T SharpDevelop something created by a feloow CPian ? I am not 100% positive, but IIRC one of us was pretty obsessed by portable IDE at some point of time...
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Unsure if you mean @leppie[^] and his xacc.ide . He was pretty active, but it looks like he's posted only one message in nearly two years. His reputation has started to flat-line.
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Sharp develop is excellent IDE, but I wouldn't dub it development environment.
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You may want to think about that statement again, considering that IDE means Integrated Development Environment. 
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Semi-portable: Setup a virtual box image on a USB drive and run it from any computer (which has virtual box installed)
Semi-performance: Setup a VM on AWS, Azure or VPS. And Remote Desktop to it from any computer.
.... or get a laptop and carry it around everywhere
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Yup! I setup a virtual VM in then just do the remote if incase i am away of my laptop/computer at work. I just uploaded the source code in GitHub.. The only problem if i can take a Database repository too that would be great service.. GitHub for database..?
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Depending on your definition of "portable", that's what VMs are for.
I've been running nothing but VMs here at home for a few years now (Hyper-V, specifically). Those VMs have gone through host OS upgrades (2008 R2 -> 2012 -> 2012 R2), changed host machines, swapped motherboards, migrated to a RAID setup, migrated to SSD, all without having to reinstall any of my dev apps/tools/utilities/SDKs/etc.
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Nice! I've been thinking to setup VM. If only VM would run in USB then just pluggin in a computer that would probably require kind of a VM launcher. That is really nice then you can take a backup of your usb in case of a failure..
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