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I think that's a very simplistic view of the 'old days' and a rather negative view of the present. Getting a publishing deal was undoubtedly difficult but it would be absurd to think that those who made it did so only on merit or that those who didn't were necessarily poor writers. Any amount of dross was published and more than a few masterpieces lost. There was more than enough patronage and nepotism around to act in the stead of what you call shouting the loudest. It should also be remembered that in those days you required more than publication to succeed; you also had to impress reviewers! It's as well to recall that Douglas Adams got his publishing deal on the strength of the popularity of the radio version of Hitchhikers not because a publisher saw a manuscript and championed it!

It is instructive to look at best sellers list from the past. Here's the Publisher's Weekly list for 1930, for example.

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1930[edit]
Cimarron by Edna Ferber
Exile by Warwick Deeping
The Woman of Andros by Thornton Wilder
Years of Grace by Margaret Ayer Barnes
Angel Pavement by J. B. Priestley
The Door by Mary Roberts Rinehart
Rogue Herries by Hugh Walpole
Chances by A. Hamilton Gibbs
Young Man of Manhattan by Katharine Brush
Twenty-Four Hours by Louis Bromfield


Lasting, quality literature all? I think not. Variation in the quality spectrum greatly different from similar lists from today? Absolutely not.

Yes, there is a far greater number of books being thrust out into the Universe with the advent of cheap self-publishing with ebooks but the death of the quality filter is greatly exaggerated. Neither the most popular nor the most 'academically approved" works show any great difference in quality to their forefathers. Conventional publishers continue to produce pretty much the same mixture of good and bad, failing to recognise the best and overestimating the lesser authors with the same regularity as ever. And while there are no fewer full-time authors there are far more people making some income from novel writing than at any time in history. And of course the reduced cost for publishers means that we are seeing a lot more books in translation. It is unlikely that the Morgue Drawer and Department Q series, for example, would be known to many of us under the old ways of publishing.

I refuse to accept that the age of the good book is dead, not least because having finally yielded to the temptation of an e-reader a few years ago I am now getting through two a week and see no danger of a shortfall in years to come. Just because there is a super abundance of hype does not necessarily mean that it's all nothing but hype.
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