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Let me take a stab at the business decision making process.
(Because when I got started in the 80's, I was told "don't bother" the 4GL tools are so good,
there won't be ANY programming jobs in a decade!" ROTFLMAO)

1) You see this budget for programmers... It is all for "coding"
2) If you had a solution like... X... You could do you're own reports, etc. etc. etc.
3) See that, you don't need to do coding, so you can cut the programmers and SAVE MONEY
...
4) Oh, it takes a LITTLE configuration (eh, a lot like programming), and it has a 3-5 year break even.

To which I say "RUN".
Honestly, someone has to get to the WHY of this decision. Because if it went the above way, they need help. I will gladly warn your management to NOT DO IT.

"low code" appears to be buzz for "very little programming required"... Just configuration.

Which is wonderful... Until you have to do something SPECIFIC... Or worse, beyond the tools ability, design or intent.

For the record, I am not against moving forward. I am replacing an 14 year old system as I type.
But all of that functionality takes a long time to understand, re-envision, and to implement and test. And if it runs your business... What is the worse that could happen? (and we have seen it happen).

OK, I started coding around 1979 in Basic on a TRS-80.

I distinctly remember a magazine cover from back then, with a headline like "The End of Coding!".
The lead story was about a tool that would "write your code for you".
You just tell it your requirements, and voila! - a bug-free program is created.

Since then I have watched a never-ending cavalcade of "no more coding" fads march on and off the stage. Clipper, Cognos, Progress, Lansa, Borland ObjectVision, etc.

They are always highly popular with corporate types who salivate at the thought of sacking all those expensive programmers down in IT.

And a war story:

The mid-eighties. I attend a Dec-VAX user group meeting where the highlight is the conversion of an electric utility companies COBOL billing program to COGNOS.

The developer proudly displays the fanfold listing of the COGNOS code, versus the fanfold listing of the COBOL code. The COGNOS listing is about three times thicker.
He says that, currently, the COGNOS program takes more than 16 hours to run, which is NFG, because meter readings flow in constantly. The COBOL program can process a single days billings (meter readings) in 3 hours, which works fine for overnight batch processing.
But he is confident they can optimise the COGNOS program run-times to be "nearly as fast" as the COBOL program.

Later we hear that the IT Director got emergency approval for a Mega-buck or so of new DEC VAX systems to solve the run-time problem for the COGNOS program.

Then we hear that it still won't run overnight, and that the IT Director has asked the board for more money for more VAX'es.

Finally, we hear the IT Director is sacked, and the COGNOS code is ditched.

The IT Director? A week later was Regional Sales Manager for DEC.

I mean, they progress so fast now HoloLens / Occulus and this time The Void
Star Trek[^] incomming (Not so holo but quite good).

SFW

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Just join an army of your choice and you will get the most realistic experience. They provide all the equipment and even pay you some money. Big bonus if you ask that screaming drill sarge how you can skip the tutorial.

The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here

This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.

"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."

If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

Yeah sure

It's not about the fighting it's about the idea and technique Cool | :cool:

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Nothing beats real sand between your teeth, the smell of the powder and actual recoil from your rifle.

The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here

This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.

"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."

If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

Or the opposition bullets thudding into your soft flesh...finding a health pack isn't gonna fix this! Laugh | :laugh:

Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

OriginalGriff wrote:
finding a health pack isn't gonna fix this!

No need for, today you get red eyes and everything's fine as long as no one shoots at you for 10 seconds. Then your good to go again XD

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Did the sarge not say something about keeping your a.... ehem rear parts down?

The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here

This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.

"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."

If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

I was running away at the time!

Sorry, sorry - I was making a tactical retreat in order to summon reinforcements.

Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

Sorry, I did not know that you are from France...

The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here

This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.

"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."

If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

I see, you are no child anymore, you lost the fun on playing?
Btw, Reenactment of war in 1810 does that job for me, those guns had recoil. Todays weapons are smooth Big Grin | :-D

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HobbyProggy wrote:
those guns had recoil

At a rate of about four or five shots per hour you better use a bowling ball as a bullet and about a pound of powder behind it Smile | :)

The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here

This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.

"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."

If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

CDP1802 wrote:
four ~~or five~~ shots per ~~hour~~ minute

FTFY

No seriously, i like shooting modern weapons but the recoil of those old beasts is tough.
And btw, if war would be fought online, we'd have less coffins to fill and could use the money spared somewhere else, where it's truely needed.

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Look to any online game and how the players accuse each other of cheating. Would anyone accept the results of your online war? Would anybody (except France) surrender after being defeated online?

The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here

This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.

"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."

If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

Why my online war? And also, it's okay that France is the only one surrendering :/
Außerdem ist es doch bums ob die Aufgeben oder nicht, mir gings nur darum das deine Aussage genauso "sinvoll" war wie meine :P

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Here you go ( Yesterday was the first time I ever solved a CCC, so I am quite proud : Hoy to the pirate for making them so easy yesterday.)

Initial French speed one, with fact without French F and French precious metal, concluded by youngster interrogation, is the achievement the French always needed help for ! (7)

(You may see a pattern).

Do not escape reality : improve reality !

Merde! Diz iz too hard!

Life is too shor

"Victory"? Unsure | :~

--EDIT: Here's the reasoning:

Initial French speed -> Initial(Vitesse) -> "V"
one -> "I"
fact without French F -> "fact" without "fa" -> "CT"
French precious metal -> French(Gold) -> "OR"
concluded by youngster interrogation -> "Y"
is the achievement the French always needed help for -> "VICTORY"? Unsure | :~

Courtesy: Google Translate, of course! Laugh | :laugh:

You have just been Sharapova'd.

And we have a vainqueur ! You are up for tomorrow ! Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

Do not escape reality : improve reality !

Rage wrote:
And we have a vainqueur !

Now, now! If you have nothing nice to say ..... !

Lol.. Too be honest this is not CCC

cheers,

Super

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Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it

Why ?

Do not escape reality : improve reality !

Since this is not "Cryptic". It is so looooong Smile | :)

cheers,

Super

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Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it

Disagree.When did cryptic equal not long?

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