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I was thinking more "Because the NSA insisted".
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Dan Neely wrote: waging all things in the balance of reason
Did you really mean that, or did you mean "weighing..."? Maybe you are waging war on reason? 
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I lean toward a translation error; but since the original is in a book in a language I can't read I have no way to confirm it. When I set the sig I struck out on finding an English translation of the whole book; and I don't know any Finish speakers who owe me enough a big enough favor to ask them to read an entire book to find the original.
I got it from the Introduction[^] to another song[^] on an album. "Waging" is used on the recording, the online lyrics[^], and IIRC the album liner (but I'm not going to dig that out of the box now to post a picture of it).
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Translation Error[^] 
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. - Dirk Gently/Douglas Adams
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That is one long site/read. Would you happen to know what page caused the mis-translation?
Metallic rock bands are known to like destruction, I wouldn't put it past them to intentionally alter a well-known quote to suit themselves.
There is a statue used in the justice system. I always assumed from the garments that it was a blind-folded young maiden weighing reason on scales to find justice. She's blindfolded to show that she won't intentionally influence the balance of reason to find justice. That came from the free market where goods were weighed on scales and the hawkers weren't above putting their thumb on the scale (tipping it) in order to overcharge the mark. I knew there was a story (or book) behind it, just didn't care enough to find out what it was.
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The link opens at the correct page for me. The relevant text is at the bottom of it. If it's opening at the top for you for some reason, it's the bottom of page 22.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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You are right, it opened on the right page/location and then jumped around like an SOB, so thanks for the page and location also. I can also see how someone not very conversant with English would think weigh would be pronounced "wage" instead of like "way" or "whey". I can also see how a metallic rock band could intentionally twist a well-known quote to mean something completely different.
The actual quote doesn't say pulseless, but that's the net effect of a petrified heart. Neither condition would allow a man to continue to live, so he couldn't weigh anything either unless he was a denizen of the river Styx too. I believe the boatman there does weigh people's hearts to determine where they need to go.
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OK. From that introduction your quote is exactly correct, correctly spelled, as far as I can tell correctly meant and no, I've never seen that. Basically trying to destroy reason by destroying the balance that maintains it. Fits in with metallic rock. If you can't balance and weigh reason, you can't determine the better path for you to follow. Chaos seems to be the goal of that kind of rock. I'm not a fan so that could be an outsider's misconception of its goal.
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Thanks for sharing! 
.:>GSN<:.
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I'm the last! Thanks for sharing.
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CP is proving its uniqueness, again!
On other message boards, everyone scrambles to be "First!"
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Thank you for this useful information, I have just downloaded and started using basefolder.
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Pardon my cynicism, but in what way less risK?
You are exposing your computer to the cloud via some software that presumably promises (honest injun) to only share them with you...
not sayin' it's not secure - but no reason to assume any more secure than any of the other options - just because the hard drive is in your house
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_Maxxx_ wrote: You are exposing your computer to the cloud via some software that...
... Neither asks for nor stores any personal information about you (I don't consider a user-name and e-mail address to be "personal information").
There's no background app/service (google drive requires two, for god-only knows what "not evil" reasons).
Plus, you can disconnect "catastrophically" at any time by simply renaming a folder.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: There's no background app/service (google drive requires two, for god-only knows what "not evil" reasons).
Oh elephant crap. If you're able to go to www.somewebsiteyoudontown.pwndyou and download files off your home computer there has to be at least one application running on your home computer to send you the files.
The fact that they don't say anything about how it works in their FAQ has my paranoia flag running up the flagpole next to Maxxx's. The biggest question I've got is if they store an index of all the files you're sharing on their site or not. They say they don't store any personal data; but when they explicitly list what personal data they don't store names/metadata of your files isn't listed...
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Dan Neely wrote: If you're able to go to www.somewebsiteyoudontown.pwndyou and download files off your home computer there has to be at least one application running on your home computer to send you the files.
Yeah.
It's called an Internet browser.
When you close the window/tab, the site is closed.
This isn't like DropBox, in that it copies all files to all machines.
I repeat: There is no background app/service. I looked for one, and if I didn't find it, then it doesn't exist.
They cannot do anything that cannot be executed by a web browser, and I don't know about you, but I have three separate programs that keep an eye out for suspicious web-page activity.
Dan Neely wrote: The biggest question I've got is if they store an index of all the files you're sharing on their site or not
Of course they do, so that they can present it to you when you open the site in a web browser.
If you think that a list of files attached to an (anonymous) e-mail account is somehow dangerous, then you probably ought to stop drinking so much coffee.
And let's bear in mind what the other options are, eh?
The google drive thing, for example, retains the content of your files, attaches them to an account (which you have to verify, by providing your telephone or credit-card number), which stores way too much information about you, and links them to just about everything you do on the Internet.
It also requires you to install a number of programs on your system, at least two of which are running constantly, doing whatever the Hell they like, because, well, because you installed them, so it's your fault if they do things you don't like.
BaseFolder doesn't even try to find out who you are; all it asks for is an e-mail address and a user-name, neither of which have to be connected to your off-line life or to any other thing you do/have on the Internet.
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OK, looking on the "server" machine into services that aren't running (because it does seem pretty weird that it manages to do everything using only the browser), I found upload/download/sync services, and a bunch of XML config files.
Three of the config file are just file listings, and I presume that they are copied to/from their server to display the file listings.
The fourth one contains all the personal information. Here's its (redacted) content:
="1.0"="utf-8"
<Config>
<EmailID value="" />
<UserID value="[redacted]" />
<ComputerID value="[redacted]" />
<UserRegistrationStatus value="[redacted]" />
<BaseFolderPath value="[redacted]" />
<Upgraded value="0" />
<VersionNo value="1.9.02" />
</Config>
Note that I didn't have to redact the e-mail address, because it wasn't there, and the user and computer IDs were numeric.
I have yet to find anything at all on "client" machines -- I've accessed files from Windows, Android, and iOS machines. Nothing is installed on them, I've found nothing copied into them, other than the files I copied, and everything is done exclusively through the web-app, in a browser window.
And, just like the "server", all the web-app asks for is an e-mail address and a user name/password combo.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Three of the config file are just file listings, and I presume that they are copied to/from their server to display the file listings.
That was what I was getting at. Depending on what they are, your file names/directory structure in and of themselves could be an information disclosure; so if they upload/store the list is a potential concern. From the other direction, if you have a lot of files (especially if in a flat structure) pulling a full listing from your home PC to the remote one if not cached on their server could add noticeable latency over a slow connection.
One that didn't occur to me earlier is that when you get a file off your home PC from a remote one, are you establishing a direct connection between your two PCs for the transfer; or is their server man-in-the-middling the transfer.
The fact that they didn't realize that some privacy conscious people would care about these things enough to put them in their faq makes me worry that they only gave lip service to privacy in their implementation and six months from now we'll be reading about a presentation in a major security conference that pwned the platform a dozen ways over.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Dan Neely wrote: Depending on what they are, your file names/directory structure in and of themselves could be an information disclosure
Sure, but -- I can't speak for you, obviously -- not many of us run Bloomberg, and the kind of "information disclosure" someone could get from the filename "Nipper's fourth birthday.mpg" ain't gonna ruin your life.
Dan Neely wrote: From the other direction, if you have a lot of files (especially if in a flat structure) pulling a full listing from your home PC to the remote one if not cached on their server could add noticeable latency over a slow connection.
Um, I don't see that as something to lose sleep worrying about. I sometimes have to wait 10-15 seconds for CP pages to load. C'est l'Interwebs.
Looking into the sync executable on the "server", I'm seeing a lot of soap statements (which you'd expect, since it's a web service), but I really don't have the desire to spend energy digging harder to find what transfer protocols or routing they're calling.
On the "clients", you just get an aspx file in the browser, so there's not much to see.
I don't have full network tracking on this (relatively new) machine, but when I download a file I don't see a new connection coming from basefolder.com, so it's very possible that it's a direct connection (and the speed is really high, too).
AFAIK, DropBox et al route everything through their servers, when synching.
Dan Neely wrote: The fact that they didn't realize that some privacy conscious people would care about these things enough to put them in their faq makes me worry that they only gave lip service to privacy in their implementation and six months from now we'll be reading about a presentation in a major security conference that pwned the platform a dozen ways over.
Oh, come on; that's just daft.
It's a minimalist web-site, with a product for "the common man".
They ain't gonna go into huge levels of technical detail in an FAQ, because their consumer base won't Ask such Questions Frequently, and, as I imagine you know, getting too techie on mere mortals frightens them away.
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And what's the difference between installing this and setting up an FTP service on your machine?
It sounds to me as if basefolder is just a (much) simplified FTP service.
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d.shapiro wrote: And what's the difference between installing this and setting up an FTP service on your machine?
I would imagine that the FTP server is under your own control and not reliant on a third party website.
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That's the point I was alluding to. If this thing works like an FTP, I'd rather install an FTP that I have full control over.
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d.shapiro wrote: It sounds to me as if basefolder is just a (much) simplified FTP service.
And not even SFTP.
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d.shapiro wrote: And what's the difference between installing this and setting up an FTP service on your machine?
The difference? All your files don't go through a third party's servers on the way to your computer, where they can be conveniently snooped or duplicated without your knowledge. They go though the ftp server, but you control that and the machine it runs on. Also, there's no convenient third party that somebody can coerce into providing them access to your files without your knowledge.
From a security perspective, there's a big difference between the two.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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Another option: Any one use BitTorrent Sync? (I do.) Cloudless, fast, secure (as if there were such a thing), mobile clients, sharing. What's not to love (i.e. why is BitTorrent Sync evil too)?
-Man of Code
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