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It is truly fascinating to try and think about such concepts, or, if you will, anti-concepts !
I find it fascinating to "watch" the fluctuation of my subjective sense of "duration" during meditation.
And, I think, often, of how time moved like the fall of ice-cold honey when I was child ... never fast enough for the me who didn't even realize I was impatient ... and how, now, with 881 moons' mileage on this body, it, so often, seems to be rushing by faster and faster 
cheers, Bill
«OOP to me means only messaging, local retention and protection and hiding of state-process, and extreme late-binding of all things. » Alan Kay's clarification on what he meant by the term "Object" in "Object-Oriented Programming."
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BillWoodruff wrote: and how, now, with 881 moons' mileage on this body, it, so often, seems to be rushing by faster and faster
Perhaps there is a point to the idea that entropy and time are interconnected. However, in this case, the higher the entropy, the faster time flows! 
Marc
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Well, one view is to see entropy as an emergent property of the degree or organization of the very early post big-bang universe, and time as an emergent property of entropy. In the spirit of Heisenberg's comment: "atoms are not things."
But, that's one too many emergencies for me
I suspect we are doomed by the POS beta (only 100k years old, or so) operating system (Primate Operating System with Symbiotic Virus of Language Attachment) we run that creates our fundamental sense of "Self" to always construct anthropomorphic systems that match our sensory perceptions and biological reality.
Even when someone like James Stewart Bell comes along and, playing by the ground-rules of our "scientific rationality's game," offers experimental proof of the fact that behind-the-scenes of our construction of the world: "God plays dice with the universe;" and we are that Mister Jones of whom can be said, as in Dylan's song:
"Because something is happening here
But you don’t know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?"
And, on that happy note, I'm off to the gym to see if I can lengthen a few telomeres.
cheers, Bill
«OOP to me means only messaging, local retention and protection and hiding of state-process, and extreme late-binding of all things. » Alan Kay's clarification on what he meant by the term "Object" in "Object-Oriented Programming."
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This is more tragic as they hit the school and most of the death is School children.
![Rose | [Rose]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif) My heart goes for the parents
cheers,
Super
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Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
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Yeah that one only.
Its sad that this is biting them back. History had shown than its never good on long run to work with fringe elements.
cheers,
Super
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Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
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Cowards always attack the defenseless.
Luckily European governments are trying their best to make us defenseless too 
Geek code v 3.12
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- r++>+++ y+++*
Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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den2k88 wrote: Cowards always attack the defenseless.
???
So do soldiers. It makes little sense to attack guys who have big guns pointed in your direction.
It's a common mistake to see "the enemy" as cowards, though.
"The enemy" in this case is people with genuine religious beliefs, who see what their religion defines as evil, and want to fight it.
So, unfortunately for us, they ain't cowards; they're dedicated to something, and will act heroically when fighting for it -- and they're not going to quit, either, so we need to start talking to them, to look for a solution.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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People are killed or die needlessly in huge numbers every day, they only get reported if it is useful to the Western media though, if it is the Taliban responsible that is useful as we know who they are and can get scared they are going to come over here and do it to us. If it is a group or regime no-one has heard of then nobody cares.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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True - this also holds for who the victims are, has anyone heard of what Boko Haram has done to boys?
Probably not, as the main media sources have not been reporting on this.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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GuyThiebaut wrote: has anyone heard of what Boko Haram has done to boys?
I believed they turned them a whiter shade of pale.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Sadly - the Islamic world, virtually in lock-step, has vilified their non-Islamic neighbor on the eastern edge of the Mediterranean: distracting them from the real danger was always themselves.
A region that could have bloomed with technology and prosperity - instead, they distracted their own people with an enemies and a "Great Satan" whilst they squandered the oil wealth with hubris. These brave warriors wave their golden swords in ritual dances - and then finance and send impoverished proxies to dies for them. Teach the children to hate "Them" - and don't look behind the curtain.
They can dance in the streets to honor murderers - but personally, I've stopped feeling sorry for them. If they want that to change then they'll have to fix it.
And that makes me sad - they've stolen a piece of my humanity. I'm still a person who whose eyes will shed tears for the tragedy that may befall others - but no longer for them.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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For me the biggest mystery is waht is theie Endgame?
What do they want to achieve?
cheers,
Super
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Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
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There are two views on can draw for the endgame:
One - Convert all the World to Islam.
Two - Keep the situation in a state of madness wherein they can maintain their own power against "the enemy".
The first, although it may sell well to the local populace, is just a front to justify whatever they care to do.
The latter I see world-wide. Currently, the most heinous versions happen to spawn from the Middle East: Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah, ad nauseam in a freighteningly literal sense. We have them now, in the west. Al Sharpen: Where would he be without racial strife? Tea-Party: where would they be without their delusions of Obama taking their freedoms even when his predecessor(s) were at fault? Fox News . . ., the causal nexus of O.M.G.
There are always monsters to be placed under the bed and those who would make their living not rescuing you from them, but rather, making a living off of the hate/fear they can inspire.
Their endgame, then, is to play on, forever.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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Option One is dream that will not happen and regarding Option two, this has been going on for centuries in different forms.
I still feel, proper edcucation and dose of common sense goes a long way in removing some maddness
cheers,
Super
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Not that it's wrong, but theirs a unique western nativity in considering common sense and education.
Education - in Gaza/West Bank, they educate their children with a version of Sesame Street that teaches Jihad. And children, most of all, learn from their parents. We all know racial hatred is insanely stupid - yet - it persists from all races towards all races. No side is innocent although some like to play the victim more than others.
But the common sense is the real crux of the problem. It is 100% a relative concept. It is a very cultural concept, and oddly but obviously, our own version of it makes us perceive it as an obvious single route of logical behavior.
Even within our own culture, there was a time not long ago that an insult was worth a duel to the death: your honor was your most precious possession and worth your life to protect. And now it sounds stupid. Imagine how different common sense behavior is when cultures and beliefs are substantially different then your own.
A Jordanian friend once told me that the concept of peace is essentially non-existent in his part of the world. They've been at war for so long, locally and globally, that death in a nearby village, if not family, is of no consequence. This is just a safe defensive mechanism. An uncle of mine, who survived Buchenwald, once told me he doesn't really feel anything anymore when someone he knows dies. The feeling was burned out in a few years. Imagine how it would effect a culture and it's views of common sense if it went on for centuries? Consider the honorable custom of hara-kiri . How do you judge it?
So, let's wax philosophical for a moment:
There actually is one universal standard of right and wrong: the Golden Rule.
But there's a caveat to that standard - what falls into the category of what one would have done to themselves so they can do it to others is not universal. Violating the Golden Rule is wrong - but only within the local cultures definitions.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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What do who want to achieve?
'The Taliban' is used in reporting, but means different things since the US led invasion of Afghanistan.
The Taliban was a Saudi backed movement who ruled Afghanistan with support of Pakistan.
Since being driven out of power they are trying to regain it. However they are now called terrorists because that is the label those now in power have chosen for them.
The Taliban in Pakistan grew up after the Taliban were defeated in Afghanistan, and have had a falling out with the original Taliban. They want control of part of Pakistan.
Essentially it is a tribal thing, the religion isn't the issue.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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I disagree. The Saudi financed madrases - in Pakistan - where the birthplace of the Taliban.
They are, based upon their behavior and treatment of those under their control, vicious fanatics. That they are fighting to get their power back ignores who they were when they had power. Part of the Wahhabi branch of Islam, more or less. A branch that has had holy wars and great slaughter in its relatively recent history, particularly in their desire to exterminate Shiite muslims. Destroying ancient art and historical sights also is on their agenda. And the famous blue burkahs and forced beard growth for males.
Since Pakistan birthed them - and gave them sanctuary after the liberation of Afghanistan - I enjoy their paying the price. The Saudis, too, have found they have created a monster that has it in for the royal family.
It's not tribal - it's Wahhabi vs Sunni vs Shiite. With the concept of "The Islamic State of . . . ", it's also clearly national (and thus, again, poorly described as tribal).
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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I didn't say they were nice, but the Taliban in Afghanistan as a very different thing to the Taliban in Pakistan, they have different aims and different targets.
Whatever the extent of their bastardry it has always been very narrowly focused on a small part of the planet.
And that part of the planet where they are active maps to the distribution of the Pashtan people, which like lots of parts of the world where such instability and violence exists, the boundaries of the people does not match up at all with the boundaries of the countries in which they currently live.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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14 years. Where did the time go?
On 16th December 2000, Becketts Irish Bar held it's Christmas Party. I wasn't keen on going, but Jon from the Budapest Sun coerced me to go along as he need a wing man to divert between two ladies of his acquaintance; full details available on request / large bribe.
Mrs Wife wasn't going, she and her friend had gone to Vörösmarty Tér to meet some people, but the evening turned out rather boring and the friend suggested they go to some Irish bar that was always good of a weekend evening.
We met. We danced. We danced some more, we had a drink.
As the evening wore on, we got to know each other very well, very quickly. Then she kissed me with abandon. After that she took the band off and kissed me again.
We went back to my flat and talked until the sun came up and she went home. Cupid's arrow had well and truly pierced our hearts.
Monday morning I was greeted by my boss with the childish words "I know what you did! You're boyfriend and girlfriend! You love each other! You're going to get married and have children!" To this I just shrugged and 5 months later we married in Szeged Dom.
Two babies and 14 years on, I still love my darling, wonderful wife!
modified 16-Dec-14 4:44am.
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but does your wife know about Andrea?
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Who? 
I try not to use her name on-line; she don't like it.
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I too, was going to ask who's Andrea.. It was kind of unclear in that context..
Your time will come, if you let it be right.
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"After that she took the band off and kissed me again."
I think it speaks volumes (at least several liters) about your capacity for forgiveness that her behavior with the band (I hope there were no more than an Uilleann pipist, a Bodharn thwacker, a fiddler, and a penny-whistler) did not deflect Cupid's Arrow from piercing the bulls-eye in your heart !
thanks for a delightful happy memory ...
«OOP to me means only messaging, local retention and protection and hiding of state-process, and extreme late-binding of all things. » Alan Kay's clarification on what he meant by the term "Object" in "Object-Oriented Programming."
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