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One thing to say: If Google was a guy.[^]
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Google makes billions out of Europe, and pays virtually no tax whatsoever.
Sounds great. What's wrong with that? 
Is what they're doing illegal?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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In a bureaucrat's mindset is like that of the mafia: If someone is making money and they ain't getting a piece of it then something illegal is happening.
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How very christian of you.
How many of your hymns have the word "money" in them?
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Mark_Wallace wrote: How very christian of you.
Wow are you stretching.  What does that have to do with anything?
Mark_Wallace wrote: How many of your hymns have the word "money" in them?
I don't know? How many?
Are you high or something? Or just given up? I asked a couple of simple questions and you try to attack me with stuff you know nothing about and with stuff that is totally irrelevant?
Wow. How sad. 
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RyanDev wrote: What does that have to do with anything?
You are be saying that it's OK to steal from the poor and needy, so long as you can find legal loopholes to let you get away with it.
That's well christian, that is. Jesus would be proud of you.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: You are be saying that it's OK to steal from the poor and needy, so long as you can find legal loopholes to let you get away with it.
I did, where? Perhaps you should go back and read what I wrote. I asked you two questions. Asking questions is not making statements. Statements != questions.
I bolded a little bit of what you wrote so that hopefully you can see that what you wrote makes no sense.
And turn down the drama. I feel like I'm in the soapbox.
Mark_Wallace wrote: Jesus would be proud of you.
Thank you. I do try.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: lawful taxes
Hmmmm. I guess I wouldn't mind paying taxes if I knew gov't would spend it in lawful ways and responsible ways.
But that's off-topic, and yes, I agree the likes of Google, Apple, Microsoft, given that "we" the masses, pay taxes through our nose and other orifices, should act responsibly and pay their taxes rather than finding loopholes that only the corporate rich can take advantage of.
But personally, that's the only reason I agree, as I believe the entire system of taxation is incredibly corrupt in itself.
Marc
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Our benevolent over-loads are tax lawyers who do this sort of thing for a living.
If they are getting caught off guard by Google it is because they're asleep at the switch.
Lawyers who do a lousy job protecting the interest of the people are attempting to make Google look like a criminal because Google is doing a better job of navigating the rules than the people who wrote them.
I say fine the lawyers.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: They wouldn't be missed,
Yes, they would. Try searching without it. Not fun. Also, Google creates revenue for other third party companies in the area.
Anyhow, I agree that any company, should pay their fair share of taxes, etc., just like everyone else; no matter which country they are located.
You know Mark, once you accept Google as your lord and savior, your life will be much easier. 
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Slacker007 wrote: You know Mark, once you accept Google as your lord and savior, your life will be much easier.
Ah, but how many computer-based things has that been said about?
I'm sure you'll find hundreds of lists of "computery things we thought we'd never be able to live without but are now long gone", if you google look for them
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No, thank you.
I am perfectly fine with Google's existence. I know they are evil, and I am fine with that.
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Quote: "Do no evil" my arse.
Been at the Rubies again Mark?
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I quite honestly have no idea what that means.
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Sorry Mark, cockney rhyming slang: Ruby Murray = curry.
It's a Brit thing!
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PhilLenoir wrote: It's a Brit thing!
Er, yeah. So am I.
I didn't make the leap from the topic to curries, though (and rhyming slang doesn't pluralise well).
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I had assumed with a name like Mark Wallace you were!
I also tend to forget that rhyming slang is not ubiquitous back home, although I thought Ruby was in common use (like butcher's, boracic, ...).
In my excuse ar'm a lundunner, cor blimey guv,nor. We even have our own alphabet, clickety[^]
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European governments could:
1: Develop a better alternative that meets their needs.
2: Sit back on their collective fat arse and tax people who produce useful products.
Option #1 would result in competition, innovation, jobs, and very possibly a finished product that is better equipped to meet the requirements of European sensibilities. The added benefit would be European gasbags becoming familiar with the technology they are trying to regulate.
Option #2 would result in a nice fat paycheck that helps stave off the inevitable collapse of the Ponzi scheme known as the European Economy. It requires no expertise, has the benefit of raping foreign companies, and there is no need to engage one's Bourbon pickled brain.
The smart money is on #2, and not because they're Europeans, but because this is the way of all the scum sucking, paper pushing, bone headed do nothing bureaucrats that are destroying our society.
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MehGerbil wrote: European governments could:
1: Develop a better alternative that meets their needs.
You expect the government to build search engines for you?
So you like the idea of government interfering in every aspect of your life then.
MehGerbil wrote: 2: Sit back on their collective fat arse and tax people who produce useful products.
That is one of the main functions of government, yes.
Other functions include building hospitals, roads, schools, etc, using money that has rightfully been paid in taxes.
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My post was encouraging a route that fostered European tech.
Your post illustrates it really is about nothing more than the free money.
But then, I already knew that...
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MehGerbil wrote: Your post illustrates it really is about nothing more than the free money.
Of course it is.
A search engine is reasonably simple tech, no matter how hard google and others want to make it look -- I dare say that at least 90% of the subscribers to CP could write a search engine every bit as effective as google's (especially given how many man hours it took them to build it)
This is about people not paying their taxes, and therefore leaving other people to make up the difference.
If it's just one guy not paying 30,000 a year, fair enough, but we're talking about billions per year, which normal Joes have to pay, because google/starbucks/etc think they deserve free money.
Money is being cut from education, care for the elderly, etc, because of greedy foreign ****ers who don't pay their way -- so yeah, it's all about that money.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Money is being cut from education, care for the elderly, etc, because of greedy foreign ****ers
How so? Has google reduced the amount of taxes they used to get?
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Hmm.
I'm not playing with trolls here, any more.
Well, not the same trolls, anyway.
If any new ones turn up, I reserve the right to have some fun.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: I'm not playing with trolls here, any more.
I asked you 2 questions and you can't answer them and then claim I'm the troll?
OK. Good riddance then. Perhaps troll means something else down under.
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I think Google should pay taxes.
I think government is necessary.
We agree on those two points.
What I find disturbing is that when it comes to American companies it seems to always be a matter of billions in fines. It seems to me that the technology has been around a very long time - perhaps attentive officials should be crafting tax law that addresses the issue long before it becomes this big of an issue.
How is it that Google gets around the rules (the law) when it is the government that can change the rules at any time? How inefficient and inept do politicians have to be in order to get beat at their own game? What? It is taking them two decades to figure out how search engines work? Sheesh.
I should think that if the European people are getting cheated out of good schools because Google is gaming the system then they should burn down the houses of their government ministers for being horribly incompetent boobs. The guys who make the rules are getting burned at their own game? Sound like a bunch of retards to me.
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