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"Second hand" or "Preowned" goods are always cheaper than new.
Except on FleaBay, where the idiots will bid more than the value because...because...um...nope, dunno why.
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eBay used to be a great place to sell stuff until they figured out they could take whatever the idiots bidding on things paid over the odds for themselves.
Listing fee, final value fee (30% for electronic stuff the last time I sold a laptop), then fees to PayPal.. you can lose up to a third of your sales price these days 
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
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Well okay, second hand stuff is usually cheaper thats right ^^
I didn't get that one.
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One of my ex-wives became partially disabled awhile back and started an Ebay store. She's beginning to turn a profit and plans to support herself with it. She raids local garage sales and then resells people's junk. Amazing.
Sometimes the true reward for completing a task is not the money, but instead the satisfaction of a job well done. But it's usually the money.
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What an adventure!  What dedication for home entertainment. 
Maybe it is cursed. Hope the setup works out for you.
"Age wrinkles the body. Quitting wrinkles the soul."
-Douglas MacArthur
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It's working great so far. Never had a TV with all the built-in content before (I know,I'm behind the times) so I had a lot to learn. But it's been fun. Definitely got to get a keyboard for it though. Searching YouTube with the remote is a major pain.
Sometimes the true reward for completing a task is not the money, but instead the satisfaction of a job well done. But it's usually the money.
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Alan Burkhart wrote: Walmart is decent about exchanges and refunds so I quickly had my money back
I have no problem recommending Walmart for electronics. Unlike actual electronics stores, Walmart employees "partners" have no interest in trying to find out what's wrong or trying to blame you for anything you might have done wrong.
My best example yet of this sort of thing: Computer bought by a friend at Walmart, started freezing on disk I/O after less than a month of usage. SpinRite spent an entire day working through the first few hundred sectors and was simply not progressing (the hard drive manufacturer's own diagnostics tools also reported all sorts of errors, if they ran at all). Got the whole machine exchanged, no questions asked. Based on my experience, all local computer stores would've had me run virus scans, uninstalling anything that hadn't shipped with the machine, roll the OS back to its original state, etc.
Sometimes you're better off buying your electronics from places that you know will treat returns like a faulty toaster.
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I buy most electronics at Walmart but not computers. The partners generally lack product knowledge. Otherwise Walmart is my 1st choice. The Best For Less and all that.
Sometimes the true reward for completing a task is not the money, but instead the satisfaction of a job well done. But it's usually the money.
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Alan Burkhart wrote: I buy most electronics at Walmart but not computers. The partners generally lack product knowledge.
When I buy electronics, if I have questions I haven't already managed to get answers to before walking into a store, they're not questions most employees in the store with a "sales" title will be able to answer anyway...which is exactly why sometimes I'd rather buy from a place where the employees will think of a product I'm returning as nothing more than a broken toaster.
Ever talked to a Geek Squad member from Best Buy? I'd rather talk to someone who won't pretend to know anything about anything.
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 I think between my 19 yo daughter smashing my cars up and my wife nagging the elephanting out of me about here smashing up cars, I'm going to have a heart attack.
My wife even made the comment that she's noticing I'm drinking more... well duh
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Buy your daughter a already smashed up car (yet still save of course) that way it won't matter if she hits something
That's what I did for my first car (k the main reason was I couldn't afford anything else but still...) and I had a blast in that car.
Never having to worry about where to park it and such was nice.
Tom
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Tom Deketelaere wrote: Never having to worry about where to park it and such was nice.
Yep! My second car was bought specifically for driving round London. A Simca gawd-knows-what I bought for £10, it started, stopped, and looked like the veteran of a couple of dozen accidents. You could park it anywhere and not get boxed in (because it was obvious that it just shoved it's way out anyway); cars always gave way at junctions rather than lose a wing; it was brilliant. For a total heap of junk. I sold it after a year, for £10, to the bloke I bought it off!
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Hmm mine was a bit more costly, but did sell it for half the price again after 2.5 years.
Here we have a rule that the person entering a road from the right has priority (stupid rule I know) but I loved to do that in the city I worked. It's know for having a lot of rich people there, so making all the Ferrari's and Bentley's and what not break like hell was fun, and the look on their face when they realized they almost crashed (at low speed) into a car that only costs as much as their bumper (probably) and that I was in my right, that was just priceless
I miss that car. With the one I have now (company car) I keep checking if I locked it, I'll even avoid parking in certain area's.
Ah well I guess that's progress in live right?
Tom
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OriginalGriff wrote: You could park it anywhere and not get boxed in (because it was obvious that it just shoved it's way out anyway); cars always gave way at junctions rather than lose a wing; it was brilliant.
I have always enjoyed that about having an old clunker. It gave the message that I didn't care about another scratch or dent.
People gave way on the road and didn't park too close because they knew I would just bang their car on the way out of a parking spot if I was boxed in. 
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
I would agree with you but then we both would be wrong.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
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Has car wrecking become a sport for teens? 
New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.0
There's a fine line between crazy and free spirited and it's usually a prescription.
I'm currently unsupervised, I know it freaks me out too but the possibilities are endless.
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Hang in there and keep your chin up.
It's all temporary and will work itself out. Doesn't make it any easier, I know.
edit - I would figure out "why" she is wrecking cars? Is she that bad of a driver, or is there something else at play.
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Slacker007 wrote: It's all temporary and will work itself out
Yes, with children the first sixteen years are the worst...
[edit]Except in Spain, where the first eighteen years are the worst, apparently[/edit]
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Quote: the first sixteen years are the worst
So far, I have found the first twenty-six years are the worst.
Note: My son is twenty-six tomorrow!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Yeah - but at 16 you can throw them out and change the locks...
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No you can't. There is the Missus to reckon with...
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Not in Spain... where this won't happen till the 18 by law...
I don't have any children but this kind of posts scare a lot
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Original message fixed! 
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35 (my daughter)!
I'm hoping that things will look up soon.
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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I'd disagree - I'd much rather change diapers than deal with drivers. Then they get bigger, choose mates and there's that much more drama... I dream of having a http://www.myoceanis.com/[^]
when it all hits the fan, I just cast off and I am so elephanting out of there.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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why? Hell, she's 19, knows everything and thinks she's a F-1 driver. And she wrecked the minivan  .
Seriously, it's just a new driver thing...
Phase 1: super careful, slow, paranoid
Phase 2: hey I can do this! It's not so hard
Phase 3: why are you so upset dad? it wasn't my fault
Phase 4: crap, I wrecked *my* car, this so sucks.
Phase 5: okay, I'm coming up on an intersection that collects idiots,
I better slow down...
I tore up cars too, so I see the traits. I am so much like my dad now.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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