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I'm not sure it's cows, because when they get tipped-over it can be an udder disaster; very hard to get them back on-line.
«If you search in Google for 'no-one ever got fired for buying IBM:' the top-hit is the Wikipedia article on 'Fear, uncertainty and doubt'» What does that tell you about sanity in these times?
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Agent__007 wrote: Meta: his CP profile picture.
Is actually a bull.
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Sorry, I didn't (or rather couldn't) notice it, but the legal principle is "Ambiguity always benefits the party that did not create the draft." 
Your time will come, if you let it be right.
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Well, more to the point, the model was a bull, I de-sexed it as I traced the outline.
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Your time will come, if you let it be right.
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You've got to be out of your mind, or drinking with Mick, to entrust anything to the Cloud! That's daft! None of them is secure, as ha=s been repeatedly shown by the many serious data breaches exposed by companies that should know better just in the past year.
Will Rogers never met me.
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We have hosted email. At that point all bets are off since if someone gets access to our email then they get access to our passwords.
However, we also all use 2-factor authentication so it's a little harder.
Regardless: what we store is paperwork, reports, spec sheets and stuff. Things that, at one point or another, have been sent or received to/from someone else. The world won't end for us if our cloud drive docs are breached.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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I tend to find myself using OneDrive more. The fact that it just worked with MS OS and Office etc. made things feel a bit more re-assuring.
Again, there is still further room for improvement, but i'm sure it will come over time and eventually just be as if it is a drive on your computer.
Just take anything over time;
OS's evolution - would you like to go back to just a text based single interface world? (Although it feels like it again sometimes when living at the command prompt for Git, NPM, Node etc.)
WWWeb evolution - woudl you like to go back to static content, no css and crap browser (yes know YOU probably want a pain free CSS world and yes we still have IE trouble)
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Have you tried Bittorrent Sync[^]?
It works like DropBox without the middleman (Peer to Peer). You can have multiple sync folders with different people/devices and it only sync's the things that changed.
Works on Windows, Linux, Mac OS/X, iOS and Android.
Bonus: No disgruntled 'Cloud' employees to steal your stuff.
Another Bonus: No 'Cloud' company handing your stuff over to the NSA.
It doesn't give you users and roles though.
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I can imagine a potential client being "scared off" by the current association of the word "BitTorrent" with the protocol used for widespread ip piracy.
What do you think ?
«If you search in Google for 'no-one ever got fired for buying IBM:' the top-hit is the Wikipedia article on 'Fear, uncertainty and doubt'» What does that tell you about sanity in these times?
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Yeah, maybe...they probably should have given it a cute name 
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erm, Chris - don't you host, like, this big website thingy?
Isn't that, well, cloudy?
Can't you kinda roll your own?
:edit: I use OneDrive mostly - as it seems to do its job - although my password was hijacked once - but the theivin' gits didn't find anything worth taking!
PooperPig - Coming Soon
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Spoken like a true software developer!
Rewriting what Google, Microsoft and Apple have done with the live editing and full office integration is beyond my spare time quota for the next decade
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Thinking laterally (as I am lying down at the moment)
Shirley there is 'personal cloud' software out there?
If not, have a word with Kevin about the next competition
PooperPig - Coming Soon
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Actually there are some solutions, and the guys who manage our hosting are going to be presenting a couple of private options to me in the next week or so.
But you're right: let's just right the damn thing ourselves!
cheers
Chris Maunder
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I use Google Drive for document sharing (between home and office and with other people too) - I didn't do very sophisticated things, but all scenarios I had, worked for me so never felt the urge to check out others...
1. Edit documents from everywhere
2. Share specific folders only (I had no problem to organize folders! It's seems to me native...)
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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They're usable enough on a PC, where you maintain a local copy of the files in a synched directory, but on android and itoys, they're only any good for view-only files.
Google docs, to give an example, has to be the worst word-processing device for documents that are to be edited on multiple devices.
Unless, of course:
0: You configure all your word processors on all possible devices to use exactly the same fonts, styles, encoding, etc. as the google docs defaults.
1: You don't use any advanced or complicated features at all (like any kind of numbering/tables/etc).
Spend an hour editing anything other than plain text on a mobile device, and you'll have to spend at least two hours fixing the file.
Fix things like that, and "the cloud" will become more usable -- but still not for anything important (for that, just share a drive, for Heaven's sake).
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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FYI - For those using Helpmaker 7.3 & 7.4
A recent patch from Microsoft, Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 11 for Window 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3003057), kills Helpmaker.
Removing this patch will fix the issue
Clayton
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1 Forgive your enemy nut remember the bastard's name.
2. Money can not buy happiness but it's more comfortable to cry in a Mercedes than on a bicycle.
3. Help someone when they are in trouble and they'll remember you when they're in trouble again.
4. Many people are alive only because it's illegal to shoot them.
5. Alcohol does not solve any problems, but then again, neither does milk.
These should assist you with most daily decision choices.
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Vivic wrote: Alcohol does not solve any problems, but then again, neither does milk.
Yes it does! Have you ever tried to eat dry Weetabix? 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Can't be worse than wet weetabix, which I'm fairly sure is not a food but something to be used in building walls.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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chriselst wrote: which I'm fairly sure is not a food but something to be used in building walls flushed.
FTFY!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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OriginalGriff wrote: which I'm fairly sure is not a food but something to be used in building walls flushed.
May the gods have mercy on the sewerage system.
No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde
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Excuse me. I eat all my cereal dry. I particularly like crushed up (to a powder) Weetabix mixed with a couple of spoonfuls of sugar. 
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Well yes - but that's because you're a Scot, and not allowed to deep fry the buggers on an oil rig... 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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