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While checking out this article on my laptop: http://sdtimes.com/analyst-watch-smartphones-become-obsolete/[^]
I couldn't scroll the page with my mouse. There was no scrollbar and the mouse wheel wouldn't work. I dragged it over to my touch screen and was able to scroll. Apparently if the site detects touch support, it disables mouse support. 
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I have a lot more problems with certain menu controls not working with touch then vice versa.
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It's working fine on my Ultrabook.
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I think it must be a bug on the page or something.
On IE no scroll bars.
On Chrome, first page load the scroll bar briefly appeared, then vanished. Open a new tabe navigate and grabbed the scrollbar and it worked ok then. Opened new tab and navigate, and left it, the scroll bars remained and worked.
smells like a poor implementation regardless...
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DaveAuld wrote: I think it must be a bug on the page or something.
I agree. My PC does not have touch capabilities, but the page was completely useless.
I opened the page in Chrome. Did not see any scrollbars. Arrow and Page Down keys did not do anything, neither did my mouse scroll wheel. Closed the page and decided to focus troubleshooting my own code rather than theirs.
I was amused by the popup window asking me "Like what you see?" and something about signing up. 
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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I had a similar issue. I refreshed the page, still no change. However after a (long) while, a popup ad showed up. Once I dismissed that it worked fine.
BTW was using IE 11 on Win 8.1, if that matters...
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Andy Brummer wrote: I couldn't scroll the page with my mouse. There was no scrollbar and the mouse wheel wouldn't work.
They are trying to make a point that you missed. Methinks your laptop is obsolete.
I'm retired. There's a nap for that...
- Harvey
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For me, the launch speed and responsiveness of Visual Studio has declined over the years. I find VS 2013 to the worse of the bunch. I get a lot of disk thrash and the menus seem to have a small delay in popping up. When I have to use VS 2008 for a project, I'm blow away with how fast it starts and responds to the mouse. VS 2010 is slower, but still fairly responsive.
I was recently told I was crazy. Now that may be true in general, but the question is whether I'm just seeing things with VS 2013. So, what's everyone's observations?
(I know more than one place that has refused to switch to 2013 for various reasons, including performance. I switched only because of Qt support.)
EDIT: Some time ago, I installed the Azure SDK for a project that ended up never happening. I just uninstalled all the Azure components and the start and response times have noticeably improved!
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I'm not a Vegas-style gambler, nor do I run any copies of VS 2013 on a 64-bit OS, but I'd wager that if you ARE running it on a 64-bit box, checking for the presence of an "*32" entrained to the devenv.exe in Task Manager, has something to do with the speed ...
Do not reply to this post. Please.
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RedDk wrote: Do not reply to this post. Please.
You had to say that... 
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RedDk wrote: Do not reply to this post. Please.
Okay. I won't. 
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RedDk wrote: Do not reply to this post. Please.
Why, what will happen if I do?
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I'm all for this game!
Pete, where's Nagy and Griff?
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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Many operations are done in background in VS2013 so it load faster. But I thing it depends a lot on extension that you load as some might required that all projects are loaded effectively destroying improvement made by VS team.
Background loading effectively reduce startup time. For example, if you don't have any designer open, then VS2013 won't load them at that point. It will however take a bit more time the first time you open the designer.
Philippe Mori
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I think 2008 was the last usable version.
At work I use 2012 (Ultimate) because I do a lot of SSIS.
But at home I have 2010 (Express) and I'm thinking of digging through my box of disks to see whether or not I can find 2008 (Professional).
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If I remember correctly VS6.0 has always been way faster than anything after it. 
Anyway, check out the history of it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Visual_Studio#Visual_Studio_2008[^]
VS2010 was built with the goal of making everything faster and moving it to WPF, while forcing WPF to improve by dog-fooding VS on top of it. It ended up with some fast parts and some really slow parts, slow overall, but service packs fixed a bunch of those issues.
For me in ASP.net and C# land, I'd say it seems to be getting faster, but then performance of almost any app hasn't mattered since I've moved to using SSDs.
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[opinion]
Rarely do newer software versions get faster than their predecessor. This seems to be the trend ever since MS rolled all of their major programming languages into a single suite.
[/opinion]
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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I agree with your sentiment for the most part.
I found VS2010 completely unusable. Even more so when I had visual assist installed.
I use both VS2012 and vs2013. Their speed degradation is not noticeable to me compare to VS2010. Also, I haven't found the need to install visual assist for these versions.
I only work in C++. For what it's worth, The C++ support has gotten much better; possibly enough for me to be able to overlook any speed issues.
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For me every new version of VS has been faster than the old one.
But that's because I install it on a new computer.
I have once and once only done an upgrade, and I will never do that again.
Always clean installs for me.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Any organization is like a tree full of monkeys. The monkeys on top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. The monkeys on the bottom look up and see nothing but assholes.
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Out of curiosity, if you are using 2013, do you have the Azure SDK(s) installed? (I installed them for a project that never happened and now I wonder if they may be causing some of the thrashing, particularly the storage emulator.)
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2013 yes, but no azure.
Only issue is that it's hanging the processes on the local IIS. Haven't found the reason for that yet.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Any organization is like a tree full of monkeys. The monkeys on top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. The monkeys on the bottom look up and see nothing but assholes.
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Joe Woodbury wrote: using 2013, do you have the Azure SDK(s) installed?
Joe, I do (VS2013 Ultimate on multiple set-ups) and have no issues. However all set-ups are pretty "high end" (ssd's, large RAM, high end processor, etc...)
I don't get any noticeable change in experience from, say VS 2012.
I don't speak Idiot - please talk slowly and clearly
"I have sexdaily. I mean dyslexia. Fcuk!"
Driven to the arms of Heineken by the wife
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Joe Woodbury wrote: (I know more than one place that has refused to switch to 2013 for various
reasons, including performance. I switched only because of Qt support.)
If I'm not mistaken, VS 2010 already supports Qt (if support == Qt plugin).
The console is a black place
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It does, but 2013 let me get the correct pre-built DLLs without the hassle.
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A lot depends on what sub-windows you have open, because if each one is updating itself every time you move the mouse, it'll eat a lot of processing time/threads.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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