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Well, I actually talk a lot to the customer too (not the actual users).
And I also know that what they say is not always what they want.
But my strength lies in coding and that's what my boss wants me to do as much as possible.
I just think saying everything is our responsibility is a bit off.
Well, maybe not in your case, but getting software to the customer is more often than not (I think) a joint effort.
My blog[ ^]
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I understand the first reactions of the posters above, but she does have a point.
It, of course, depends on your job. If you are a code grinder, your job is to write code. She mentions "Engineers", a term I don't believe applies to code grinders! Of course many of us here (most?) are a lot more than code grinders. Perhaps the term still applies to newbs who have just graduated a programming course.
One key point is that most of us in a programming career are technophiles. We love to get our hands on the new stuff and experiment with new techniques. Wonderful! but we have to remember that our end users may not have access to this new stuff. Put it another way: You don't often hear about how wonderful the graphics are in the new accounting package.
The bottom line for businesses is the bottom line. If you're working for a business that sells software, the "whiziness" of the software is secondary to the functionality and how well it sells is paramount. If you are providing tools in a business that sells anything else, your role is to build tools that improve efficiency, facilitate better management decisions and generally make your coworkers lives better.
Of course, we all know that, but it doesn't hurt to be reminded once in a while!
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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I spent a year writing an ERP system that does everything from sales prospects to invoicing.
In the yearly, what we have done, presentation to the director, all he commented on was the nice Excel pie-chart I had created that shows what I have been working on.
I call it the Apple generation - people assume your systems will work perfectly and when they do will only then only notice the pretty graphics(forget the year of extra hours and sweating over creating systems nobody is able to specify for you, that you somehow magically guess into being for them).
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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... and yet MS Dynamics sells very well! 
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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You must be psychic because that appears to be the future... 
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Damn, you're revealed my secret power!
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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PhilLenoir wrote: "Engineers", a term I don't believe applies
Nor to most developers. Developing Operating Systems, Missile Control Systems, Compilers and IDEs, might be engineers, but developing enterprise/line-of-business apps just isn't engineering.
modified 10-Nov-14 11:06am.
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I loved that article. It definitely reflects my view of software development. There's a HUGE difference between coders and engineers. My job is to make the user experience better, make their lives easier, improve efficiency, make better business decisions and ultimately save $$$ at the end of the day. I'm often doing QA, marketing, customer/technical support, engineering, operations, DevOps, system administration - sometimes all in the same day!
It doesn't matter how "cool" your code is - if it's crap and the user doesn't like it, then you have a serious problem. Too many "engineers" (note the quotation marks) like using the latest toys without realizing what problems those impose on their users when it comes down to deployment and maintenance. Those are by far the biggest headaches and they're often unprepared for the influx of questions, bugs and complaints from users.
"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music."
-- Marcus Brigstocke, British Comedian
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Meh.
I dunno. This misses the mark in the interest of saying something clever sounding. Yeah yeah, a programmer's job isn't to write code any more than a manager's job is to run meetings.
Our GOAL is to improve the product for the customer.
Writing code is our primary mechanism for doing that.
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Now, seriously, what's her job, then ?
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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Translation of linked article: "I know best what your elephanting job is, so shut up !"
« I am putting myself to the fullest possible use which is all, I think, that any conscious entity can ever hope to do » HAL (Heuristically programmed ALgorithmic computer) in "2001, A Space Odyssey"
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(Classic Cryptic Crossword Clue)
Since DD is likely to be unavailable until mid May, and I can't write good crossword clues to save my life: here is a classic one, just to keep the grey cells ticking over.
GEGS! (9, 4)
Fans of departed donkeys will remember this! 
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As long as they aren't fertilised.
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Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I'm more for the fried ones...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
תפסיק לספר לה' כמה הצרות שלך גדולות, תספר לצרות שלך כמה ה' גדול!
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I prefer to let them grow up, then fry, roast, grill...
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I thought you are on sheep diet... 
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
תפסיק לספר לה' כמה הצרות שלך גדולות, תספר לצרות שלך כמה ה' גדול!
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OriginalGriff wrote: likely to be unavailable until mid May
Ok, now I am out from under my rock and I don't have facebook, so ... where is he ?
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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Hiding, so the electorate of Luton don't find out his real opinions and he might get elected to the local council...
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... and for real ? Or was this serious ?
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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Am I laughing?
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Mmmh.. I'd bet he would be more traceable on facebook than Code Project, actually.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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If you wasn't aware here is Dave[^].
And here is the results of the last election[^]. As I understand it, as a reward for standing in that unwinnable seat for the Conservatives last time he has a safe seat this time around.
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OriginalGriff wrote: DD is likely to be unavailable until mid May
huh .. wondered why it was quiet - I musta missed something - hope he's ok - not on the run from the Tax man .. oh, wait ..
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