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Have you read Fagles' brilliant translation of the Iliad ? Unfortunately the book is no longer available as a free download on Scribd. Bernard Knox's introduction to Fagles' translation is one of the most brillant literary essay I've ever read.
This is a very interesting New Yorker article on the various English translations of the Iliad, including Fagles': [^].
Indeed the second part of Sarpedon's guilt-tripping Glaucus ... one wonders why he would need to "sell" a grand-son of Bellerophon himself on going to war ... is a powerful statement, virtually steaming with enargeia.
I wish I could quote from the Iliad, or the Odyssey, off the cuff, but I can't ... because ... you see ... I wear my heart on my sleeve, so I have to go without cuffs because they look so grotty when the blood dries ... yes, it's a very liberal bleeding heart, 'tis.
Seriously, I admire that you took two years of Greek; I only took one semester of demotic (Biblical) Greek, but I did take a fantastic course devoted to studying English linguistics (etymology) based on Greek word-roots, and I have been a life-long student, or devotee, of myth in general. And, my mother (long deceased) was, in her time, a classical scholar.
The University ... which shall remain nameless ... where I took several classics courses in the early 1960's had only two full-time professors (both men), and the years I was there both of them ended up in the local mental hospital: one was found at night in a red-sequined dress and high-heels hitchhiking, disoriented, raving; the other became obsessed with a female student he believed was a reincarnation of Aphrodite and kept breaking into her dorm room. I am not making this up !
« I am putting myself to the fullest possible use which is all, I think, that any conscious entity can ever hope to do » HAL (Heuristically programmed ALgorithmic computer) in "2001, A Space Odyssey"
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Quote: steaming with enargeia Wow! I love that phrase and will attempt to use in an everyday conversation just to see the blank looks on my colleagues faces (mostly Mercans)... actually I get that a lot, hmmmm... I must remember to reduce the width of my vocabulary when talking to the colonists!
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"Enageia" is a word I have only come across a couple of times before in my life, and it wasn't previously steaming in any way. I often wonder about usage of the more obscure (but really interesting) words. Should one use them and hopefully expand someone's mind, or refrain from the working the poor under-utilised thing that is the Mercan brain? When I first came to the US I was shocked at reactions I got to (what I thought of as) everyday words (such as "penultimate"); blank looks and an "Huh?" response - even from those claiming a good education! Now I have been here a goodly while I feel my own brain shrinking (in the vocabulary area at least) and am worried that when I return to Blighty I will be disadvantaged in the conversation and writing arenas. Certainly I won't be able to keep up in the pub-quizzes any more.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Tell me about it. They seem to have figured out when all the Protectors are away. I don't know how many hundreds of posts I reported yesterday, but it was ridiculous
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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Seems that maybe bob should get involved, some how.
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Why do they keep changing iTunes? Every time I go to use it after an 'update' the interface has changed. Morons - leave well alone. Stoopid marketing managers; well, I suppose it's either that or flipping burgers.
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<nose in the air> "Oh, I got the latest version of itunes before it went on general release!"
That's why.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I wish: just the general incremental fixes they release. Maybe they think it's funny to change the interface so you don't know where anything is!
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<nose in the air>"Oh, you're still using that old interface? I'm using the new one -- it's far superior!"
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I am truly elephanted today!
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mark merrens wrote: I am truly elephanted today! Well, nobody forced you to eat so much yesterday.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I'm on a see-food diet: I see food, I eat it.
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mark merrens wrote: Why do they keep changing iTunes?
Because it just works.
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
I would agree with you but then we both would be wrong.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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I just heard that Justin Bieber has signed up for a flight.
So Mr Branson, if you are reading: send him on on the next flight! Tomorrow would be good...I'm sure the accident was just a one-off...
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Maybe they can do one of those high altitude skydives, toss JB out the air lock and then toss out the oxygen bottle.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Why the oxygen bottle? Seems like a waste to me.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Any organization is like a tree full of monkeys. The monkeys on top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. The monkeys on the bottom look up and see nothing but assholes.
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So you can aim it at his head on his way down?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Better put some fins on his feet to aim his head properly.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Any organization is like a tree full of monkeys. The monkeys on top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. The monkeys on the bottom look up and see nothing but assholes.
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Won't the densest part end up downwards anyway?
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I always thought he was an airhead.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Any organization is like a tree full of monkeys. The monkeys on top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. The monkeys on the bottom look up and see nothing but assholes.
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Damn. Perhaps we need to hang a bowling ball round his neck, just to on the safe side?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I hear old fashioned divers helmets are quite heavy, and on the plus side they're also pretty good at sound dampening.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Any organization is like a tree full of monkeys. The monkeys on top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. The monkeys on the bottom look up and see nothing but assholes.
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On the down side, they are quite strong and protective as well...
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I remember that episode!
OT: Do Youtube ads annoy you as much as me? "You can skip this ad in nn seconds..."
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Yes. But it's better than having to watch TV the old fashioned way.
As a curiosity, have you ever noticed that often (not always) if videos are embedded on another site, there are no ads when viewing that way? But if you click on the 'YouTube' thingy, to go to YT, you are usually screwed... (But some of those sites are so terribly atrocious I'll spend the 5 secs. Linkbait gets OLD.)
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