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Correlation / Causation
Any parent that uses "media" as a baby sitter is probably lacking in many, MANY ways starting from infancy. Its a good bet that without "media" these kids are out getting into trouble and not learning anyway. In other words, its not the "media" causing the problem - its crappy parenting.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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Beat me to it. 
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Indeed, Mike, please see my response to Jorgen below. Another case where a special icon, or font color, for ironic exaggeration would be useful in Lounge posts 
I suspect that if one reads the book on the study, and examines the methodology, and researcher assumptions, that one would not find the researchers are not claiming causality, either: that, of course, is a hypothesis.
Consider the researchers definition of "Family Time:" "The overall effect between time a family spends together and the amount of media consumption a child has and the degree of emotional problems a child exhibits."
cheers, Bill
« I had therefore to remove knowledge, in order to make room for belief » Immanuel Kant
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Its a good bet that without "media" these kids are out getting into trouble and not learning anyway.
With older kids I'm sure that is true, but with younger kids, getting out and getting into "trouble" is probably better for them than doing "educational" activities, and much better than sitting passive in front of a screen.
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Andy Brummer wrote: but with younger kids, getting out and getting into "trouble" is probably better for them than doing "educational" activities, and much better than sitting passive in front of a screen.
Ummmm... roaming unsupervised outside the home, maybe playing in traffic, getting into vans with strange men, etc... because honestly, that's what we're talking about here. If a parent can't be bothered with actually interacting with their child so they park them in front of the TV do you actually think they adequately supervise them outside?
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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Ok, if those are the only possible options, I'd be an ogre to suggest those kids did anything other than watch TV all the time.
I let my kids have almost free reign over the back yard when they were 2, and let my 7 year old watch my 3 year old in the front yard for limited time. Essentially as soon as they could manage to stay off the street. I also encourage them to use their judgement in saying hi to all the neighbors walking by.
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Andy Brummer wrote: Ok, if those are the only possible options, I'd be an ogre to suggest those kids did anything other than watch TV all the time.
That's not what I meant. I'm not suggesting that sitting in front of a TV is good. I simply stated that parents that use the TV as a babysitter probably won't supervise those kids in any event so sending them outside unsupervised may not be any better.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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I'm pretty sure you're aware of the saying that correlation does not imply causation.
Here's my theory: It's not about allowing your kids to watch tv or not, it's about activating them so much that they don't need it. Or putting it differently, parents that care for their children gets brighter children. And the ones that doesn't have the energy or time to give a sh*t, gets dumber children. The tv is used as a parking place.
So drop the harnesses, but keep the crayons and the paper.
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Hi Jorgen,
Well, I hoped my facetious/ridiculous remark: "offers further conclusive evidence that children are essentially an evil, but necessary, phase of human life" would have clued readers in that I don't necessarily buy that media usage is the cause of whatever.
Fortunately (for children), I don't have any (children), but I am certain that if I did they would need restraining harnesses; of course, that conclusion is a hypothesis based only on my own childhood
cheers, Bill
« I had therefore to remove knowledge, in order to make room for belief » Immanuel Kant
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But it's not exactly news, is it?
We've all known for years that the average couch potato is as good as brain dead -- anyone not convinced of that only has to spend half an hour browsing through imdb.com.
Entertainment supplants all other mental exercises, because the spud gets all the feelings of achievement he needs just from having watched something or played something. I don't know why anyone would think that that didn't apply to kids.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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It's not surprising to me, and all these things and more are why I got rid of all the TVs in my house as soon as I had kids. Kids need to get bored, that's probably one of the worst effects of passive screen watching. Kids don't have to invent their own fun, it's just there prepackaged for them.
BillWoodruff wrote: I did, however, assist Michael Scott (future President of Apple Computer) in testing a "rocket motor" he designed that blew-up, sending two steel road-repair plates we had "borrowed" fifteen feet in the air over our test-pit, and destroying windows in several nearby houses, summoning the police.
Sounds like that must have been fun.
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BillWoodruff wrote: I did, however, assist Michael Scott (future President of Apple Computer) in testing a "rocket motor" he designed that blew-up,
Those were the days! My neighborhood had no celebrities, so I had to entertain myself raising naughas in the garage.
Will Rogers never met me.
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I remember when I was a kid and the older generations moaned about how MTV was ruining our imaginations and ability to appreciate music, and video games were rotting our brains, as if video screens would turn us into mindless vegetables. Oh, and they had studies too.
In actual fact, things like MTV and video games influenced a lot of kids to become film makers, engineers, graphic artists, etc. Some veggies resulted to be sure, but I suspect that's more nature than nurture.
Socrates lamented widespread literacy in his day, believing that people would no longer be able to remember anything because they could simply write things down and read them later, and now we hear similar complaints about Google. Kids playing with smartphones, tablets, and game consoles aren't just vegging out, their brains are engaged and they are learning skills that will likely serve them well. They're learning to navigate the future, remember that when you need your kid's help with some new gadget
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Quote: and destroying wWindows in several nearby houses
- sounds like a portent of the future?
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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This is not even a joke. They look like naked mole rats.
Now stop inviting me to look at your ugly spawn - it's not "the cutest baby ever", I promise you. I've seen one, so I've seen them all.
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Is this news item related, or what is it with babies today[^] ?
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I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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Oh come on now clickity[^]
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Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours!
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repost.... Clickedydydy[^]
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And I wonder why most guys have problems with women... not.
And I'm not a fan of looking at countless baby pictures either, but I actually like how women are different and get into that sh*t. This way I don't have to.
Jeremy Falcon
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they all different, I've seen some 
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Try a different perspective; look at the other end.
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What's the difference between a baby and a bowling ball?
A bowling ball has 3 holes.
I know the way I'll show myself out.
New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.0 Beta
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours!
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Proper bowling balls have no holes.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: Proper bowling balls have no holes.
Depends on which side of the pond you live on.
New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.0 Beta
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours!
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You can load a truck full of babies with a pitchfork.
Will Rogers never met me.
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