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neither - read the thread - I am talking about the difference between understanding the herd mentality while not agreeing with or condoning it.
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Ah yes, historically. Could have been a bit more specific.
Note that the current population of Aussie land is about 22 million. You can handle 500 people yelling in public for a bit.
That said, I'm still waiting for these people giving out hugs and promoting tolerance and understanding to be seen in Hamas controlled territory... or outside of a mosque during worship.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Do you want Islam in Australia? It isn't just a religion, it is an anti western ideology.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: Do you want Islam in Australia?
That's an irrelevant question.
I believe in freedom of speech (I put up with some of your drivel, after all 
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OK, let me rephrase that. Do you want Sharia law in Australia?
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So you have to reject Muslims since that is what they want.
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I don't agree with much of what you say but I wouldn't protest your account being allowed at CP
I don't agree with the ideals of may religions, but if they want to practice them, that's fine with me.
If anyone wants to meet with like minded people and discuss their beliefs, then they must be allowed to.
If they begin to incite violence, try to live outside the law of the land etc. they the law must treat them accordingly,
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_Maxxx_ wrote: If they begin to incite violence, try to live outside the law of the land etc. they the law must treat them accordingly,
That's what they do, every day, by using Sharia law, by sending young girls abroad to marry for example, byt eh many other ways they treat civil cases outside of the law of the host country.
Islam is fundamentally incompatible with western ideals and has no place in the West.
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You good foxtel viewer! 
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I live in France, what is Foxtel?
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Don't worry, every country is ashamed of their bogans.
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I read somewhere that once you get over 7% Muslim in the population you get social unrest. Sorry but I'm with these people, I hate all religions but that one is the most disruptive.
I did found it amusing that the road is named Church Rd!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: I read somewhere
Wow! great research!
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_Maxxx_ wrote: Wow! great research!
Nah just something in passing but looking at somewhere like France and the issues they have there is enough to make me want to discourage it in Oz.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Something like 90+% percent muslim in Indonesia. They are good so far... 
What a mystery! 
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Super Lloyd wrote: They are good so far
Ya think - but yes I know what you mean, I should have said any western culture with more than 7% Muslim population has a problem with them.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I'll see your bigots and raise you our football hooligans.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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At least it's (usually) football hooligan vs football hooligan. Here it's stoopod person against someone who wants to build a church.
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OK, you're forcing me to pull out a trump card[^].
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Maybe it's a reaction to the Australian Police foiling the ISIS plot to behead random Australians on the street[^]?
More here[^].
...feel free to Google "ISIS beheading random Australian' for more.
You're naïve if you think this is about free speech...how many people do they have to behead on video tape before you wake up?
Islam isn't a religion...it's a political movement...they want to replace our Western constitutionalism with Sharia Law...once you start thinking about those Mosques as being Town Halls where justice is dispensed based a medieval rule book, rather than being a church of worship, you'll start figuring it out.
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DaveX86 wrote: how many people do they have to behead on video tape before you wake up?
Who is this "they" to whom you refer? Are the individuals plotting to commit acts of terrorism the same individuals who want to build a church?
DaveX86 wrote: Islam isn't a religion...it's a political movement..
Quote: Islam is a monotheistic and Abrahamic religion articulated by the Qur'an,
No it's not.
There are people who have political motives in any religion. The Catholic church has been responsible for harbouring terrible acts in recent decades - so should one protest if they want to build a church locally? Should we shut down catholic schools?
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To be a Muslim, means you have to abide by Sharia Law[^] ...most of Sharia Law contradicts any Western country's Bill of Rights, Constitution or what have you...
From the Wiki article above:
"The introduction of sharia is a longstanding goal for Islamist movements globally, including in Western countries, but attempts to impose sharia have been accompanied by controversy,[8] violence,[9] and even warfare.[10] Most countries do not recognize sharia; however, some countries in Asia, Africa and Europe recognize sharia and use it as the basis for divorce, inheritance and other personal affairs of their Islamic population.[11] In Britain, the Muslim Arbitration Tribunal makes use of sharia family law to settle disputes, and this limited adoption of sharia is controversial.[12]"
So basically, they are invading our countries and trying to subvert or replace our laws with their own...at the very least, they think that our laws shouldn't apply to them...so it's okay with you that they do honour killings in Australia? You want your sister or your girlfriend to be stoned for not wearing a veil?
Separation of Religion and State is a critical ingredient to Western countries success as democracies in the last couple of centuries...you want to let these medieval people drag us back?
I would actually be for scrapping most bloated education systems in Western countries, Catholic or otherwise...teach kids to read and write in elementary schools...some basic arithmetic then kick them out into the world...how well or poorly they do after that would entirely be up to them...maybe some kind of apprenticeships? We baby our kids in schools far too long...most university educations aren't worth the paper they're printed on and put dumb kids who don't know any better into many thousands of dollars in student loan debt to boot...I consider that a crime, it's exploitation of children at best. Meanwhile, college professors become millionaires off these poor, misguided wretches looking for a better life.
Anyway, I've spent more time thinking and writing this than I cared to spend...you go ahead and think what you want. Brandolini's Law is coming to mind:
"The amount of energy necessary to refute bull&#*% is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."
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