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I'm not sure 'seduced' is the right word. more like 'gang-raped'
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If this is the first time you've used it, you should feel blessed that you've never had to use it before.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Eclipse does do a few things that VS doesn't do but it's still not worth the effort.
As I grow older I've found that pleasing everyone is impossible but pissing everyone off is a piece of cake.
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Well, i does crash with different error messages, that's for sure!
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As much as I am anti MS at times (use the XAML editor in VS for 5 mins to see why), overall as an IDE, VS is a really nice product. I may have to use plug-ins to get the functionality some others provide out of the box, but overall it just feels "cleaner" than most IDEs.
Jeremy Falcon
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Yeah Eclipse is really bad, always has been and still seems to be judging by my run in with the Android developer toolkit which is based on it. Its concept of 'workspace' is just bizarre and confuses me.
I recommend IntelliJ's IDEA, I've used that in anger at work and it has a lot of really good stuff. It's where a lot of what is in Resharper comes from.
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"Its concept of 'workspace' is just bizarre and confuses me."
I can live with the weird project concept.
What I don't understand is how so many people can be fanboys for an editor that doesn't even properly support "undo"
It's mess, there is no way to know what will actually be undone (or what was actually undone for that matter.) Did you click on another part of the UI after that typing mistake? Don't worry we'll just use the global undo stack and undo your last refactoring instead of the typing error. Did that refactor include creating a new file (that you edited?) No problem we'll throw that away too...
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Too bad that IntelliJ Idea is not allowed as a part of contest. Even free community edition is better than that  I'm biased I admit, used to work with Idea for about 10 years
Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies. T.Jefferson
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Why do you say it's not allowed - I haven't noticed anything about that?
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As far as I see in contest description:
Quote: Article 2 - Setting Up Your Android Development Environment
Comparison of the new Android Studio vs. Eclipse IDEs
I thought that assumes using of the above IDEs
Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies. T.Jefferson
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I think those are guidelines as opposed to rules
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I use VS2012/13 with Resharper (and a few other plugins) most of the time - although XCode is okay (probably good, if you'd never used VS), it's still a bit of culture shock each time I go back to it.
At the moment VS seems to be Microsoft's best product (that I know of, at least) - I'm quite excited about what's coming up in VS14 .
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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LOL, same here!
I thought I wanted to get into Android development until I installed Eclipse and actually started doing it. Going from VS to Eclipse is like going from driving a nice Toyota to driving an old Geo Metro. Really makes you appreciate the Toyota
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Lots of agreement here....apart from me.
Don't get me wrong: the best debugger I have ever seen is Visual Studio's.
But as an editor and general development environment I haven't seen anything better, and cool that it is cross platform.
What I would say though is that one or two of the aspects that I use regularly (e.g. code reformat) have started to get a bit buggy). Also, I would say that, like Libre/OpenOffice, the configuration system can be a bit impenetrable. It's really hard to find things, especially if you don't know what they call it in Eclipse lingo.
Only the other day, I was trying to add a system macro in a C++ project. All the addition buttons were greyed out. It took me ages to find that you have to add them to a "user-defined" plugin. From an architectural point of view, I can see why it is like that, but it just wasn't clear to me at the time.
In summary, there is a steep learning curve, but I love it to bits.
My particular preferred environment is Eclipse for project management, edit and general source exploration; for debug VS blows Eclipse into the wind at least on the Microsoft platform and for build I use a platform independent build framework in the console. It sounds convoluted, but I actually like it.
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Gack. Unfortunately, I'm and embedded developer that works with TI DSPs. A few years ago, TI switch from a VC6 style IDE to Eclipse. I've never seen such a pig before. I've gotten to the point where after the base project is setup through Eclipse, I switch to using 'make' to do my builds and jEdit for my editing purposes. The only thing I then use Eclipse for is for the debugger. My employer has finally given me access to some of the Parasoft tools so I'll probably spend a little more time in Eclipse, if only for the static analysis tools.
Eclipse problems and complaints:
1) Slow, slow, slow and slow. I can walk down to the kitchen, buy a soda and get back to my desk before Eclipse is done loading.
2) If I have a failure with an update, ~80% of the time Eclipse will no longer start. I'll end up having to reinstall the whole environment. (Don't know if this is an Eclipse problem or a TI problem)
3) Why the hell would I want to see every file in the source directory in my project tree. Let me specify the files that are in the project.
I have more than just 3 complaints but over all, I like the old style IDE much better than the Eclipse version. The only obvious advantage to using Eclipse is that I could also be using it in linux.
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I feel your pain. I am feeling your pain. Oh! The pain! My current project is a BIRT reporting web app.
I find eclipse a morass of perspectives and confusing tab configurations and unintuitivity <- just made that up in honor of this thread.
There are times when gouging my eyes out with a fork would be a delightful diversion.
I have a better experience using NetBeans but it isn't as ubiquitous. When creating desktop Java apps, using the window layout editor is comparable to the forms designer in VS. Not bad really.
I equate the near-vertical learning curve with eclipse, to learning to develop Windows apps back in the day using VC++ 6. Took me a long time to get the feel and grok the contexts.
Cheers,
Mike Fidler
"I intend to live forever - so far, so good." Steven Wright
"I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met." Also Steven Wright
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It might be just what you are used to - I prefer Eclipse to VS in many ways, but it takes a while to become comfortable with either, and switching back and forth is painful. That said, I much prefer IntelliJ IDEA to either of them.
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Yeah, Eclipse it's a terrible IDE, i had to use it once and i swore i'll never do it again unless i really have too. If you're developing on Java NetBeans is far better.
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I got an email from PayPal saying that they intercepted suspicious activity on my account and hence locked it. At first I fell for it since I also received a text message (purpotedly from my Bank) that a transaction on my Credit Card was declined. The grammar of the email was unusually exceptional and not like the regular deliberately goofed up spams.
Later, I grew suspicious because:
1. The credit card in question was hotlisted by me long ago. Called up the Bank and was told that they haven't received any request for processing and also said that the card is blocked and cannot be used until activated again.
2. The email contained a link to activate my account. Genuine emails don't have them, they just instruct you to login and activate. (The link turned out to be *.edu.my)
3. The PayPal Banner image came from a completely ridiculous domain (asian-hairextensions.nl)
Oh wait, the email I received it on was not the one I use on PayPal.
What I still do not understand is why I received the text message on the card, or is it just a part of the grand scheme to trick me?
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Could be.
I always go to these site, and log in with the foulest swear words I can conjure up.
When it says 'Thank you for logging in' I know its a fake.
And I get to insult someone.
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Funny, but also risky for two reasons:
1. By reacting in any way to the mail beyond plain text reading, you may have inadvertently sent back a confirmation to the sender that this is a valid mail address - and now you're subscribed to even more spam!
2. The web site you loaded may contain malicious code that messes with your computer even before you can think up any insults to enter! By the time you get to the funny part, the spammer may already have won.
Of course, with the right tools and settings you can prevent either, but the safe way to deal with such mails is to not react at all.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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Stefan_Lang wrote: now you're subscribed to even more spam!
GREAT! I love insulting people!
Tools and setting are up to date!
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don't you ever feel like firing back all the viruses you can find?
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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What viruses? I use common sense, and if the lack of reports from the assorted antivirus tools I have been using over the years are any indication, nothing more is needed. The worst that ever made it on my PC is the ask toolbar. I've killed Java along with it and had no more issues.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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I am sure if you went looking you could find loads of viruses, and wouldn't it be sweet to infected these lowlifes with their own cr@p
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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