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I hate all that stuff.
For example, in order to get a new tax disk, you need a valid MOT, yes? Now, that's not a problem - my tax and MOT are staggered, so they occur some months apart. This is not a problem, and I renew online anyway.
But...They don't give you an MOT certificate anymore, do they? It's all online. So how do you tell when your MOT expires?
Simples! Go here: https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-status[^] and enter the car registration and the test number from the document they don't give you any more... 
In their defence, you can give the V5 number, but that does look like a "oh Sh*t" moment tacked on the end...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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I could never find my MOT certificate anyway. You get a print out now and a plain sheet of white paper, but back when you had the proper green ones and I had a producer for something and after several days of mad searching around the house I vowed to keep my MOT certificate in a frame on the wall so I would always no where it was. I never did.
The car I have just sold, I thought the MOT expired sometime around November last year, so at the start of November I searched out the print out, it had expired in September. Oops.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Most garages these days send you a postcard or email to remind you that your MOT is due for renewal, in a bid to get repeat business
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I'm an optoholic - my glass is always half full of vodka.
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What a shame that you failed to take advantage of a rare opportunity to ruin an a**hole's day. I would have demanded to see the manager, since it is clearly my duty as a citizen to make life miserable for civil servants who don't understand their place in the food chain. Civil Servant (aka public employee) != Civil Master.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Just had the following chuckle, a collegue at work is setting up a HP X2[^]
First thing he did on the laptop is remove the virus called Norton Anti virus and now Windows 8 has been doing a repair for over an hour.
currently he is speechless on the whole event..
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Help end the violence EAT BACON
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Norton "anti-virus" *IS* a virus.
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Isn't that what Simon said?
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Simon said (hmm, there's a joke there somewhere) what the symptom was. I just stated the malady.
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I remember having a HP that came with the Semantic Virus installed. That was one of the first things I removed also. 
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
I would agree with you but then we both would be wrong.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
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It's complex to remove, but I found the same process John McAfee recommends[^] for McAfee Antivirus works fine as well.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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I was ready to give the stock McAfee response then I remembered without clickity. 
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Awesome!
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Thanks for warning about it being borderline NSFW. 
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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are you sure in the name of virus? If you are sure that it's not your colleague, tell him, that he rather use Norton removal tool next time. It's free and cleans up everything.
modified 30-Jun-14 8:33am.
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No it doesn't! It leaves bloody Norton Bloody Anti Bloody Virus. I'd rather have malicious code on my machine than any Norton software and to prove it I use Google Chrome.
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no. It exactly does what it says - removes all Norton products from machine. Even if there is some broken installation. Don't take me wrong, I use Symantec as I got used to it. And if you get troubles with it and need clear installation, Removal tool gives you the clean machine without it. Tried it couple of times on my HP machine - works as said. I doubt that you can uninstall Norton antivirus from Control Panel at all
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Irina Pykhova wrote: I doubt that you can uninstall Norton antivirus from Control Panel at all
..which classifies it as unwanted. Anything the local admin cannot remove and that gets updated from the outside is a huge security risk.
Also does not add that much extra security; most virii would not go over the control panel to cripple a scanner. If the removal tool can remove it, then why not make it an (control panel) applet and have it there for everyone who has the access-right to it?
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)) again, what is local admin in your understanding? Sounds like a person who only allows remote updates for viruses. I don't have any admins and I can remove it, while I understand that it might be complicated to remove from simple uninstaller as it includes drivers. Antivirus software must update virus definitions without any admins. If it doesn't do so, viruses won't ask you whether your admin allows them to update. So many people get salary for administration and don't understand what they really should do
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Trouble is that the original Norton Utilities were really, really good: useful tools that actually worked.
Then the accountants took over and Money became the first, last and only important factor. The product quality could go hang and if trying to get the damn thing off a machine was difficult (if not near impossible) then the chances are that most people will give up trying and fork over the cash on a regular basis. I think that's why you nearly always get a free year of the stupid thing preinstalled with a new PC.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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I too remember when Norton Tools worked. Did what it said on the box; as they say. Now they - along with McAfee, Symantecs, et al - seem to be more interested in gaining revenue by looking in the user - as you said - then by trying to be innovative. I know it's on a par with innovations in plumbing but people will be pleased to pay for an effective product.
I think M$ have, for once, got it right on this subject.
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I agree. I posted some issue on their forums. Looks like they don't have enough resources to test everything on different systems. Or they just go MS way - sell it first and then fix issues if you can.
But do you know companies whose products are perfect in all things? I suppose any antivirus will have something of this kind
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Irina Pykhova wrote: do you know companies whose products are perfect in all things?
Mine.
OK, OK, that's a lie. (Actually a huge lie, but who's counting?)
Trouble is, I've never seen a single system - even one which has only the preinstalled software - that can comfortably work with and / or remove NAV. And if they can't get that right when they have (in theory) full knowledge of the hardware and software it makes me think that it is not accidental but a deliberate "feature" designed to keep the software on the machine and hopefully rake in some money.
Which in my mind is virus activity!
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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have you heard that Windows must die? Or what the hell happened to Internet Explorer on x64 machines? The world is not perfect.
About "even preinstalled" - IMHO, it's the source of problem. I don't remember preinstalled things which bothered about updates or whether they have been properly installed. You've got something a bit old with a bit old antivirus and a bit old drivers and a bunch of trial apps which you never wanted, who knows how it supposed to work.
I usually remove the most of preinstalled stuff first and then make it my way. And after that even Symantec works 
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About a dozen years ago, I got Norton Anti-Virus free with some tax software and installed it. I believe it was on a Windows 2000, though it may have been right when XP came out. It caused all sorts of problems, so I uninstalled it. It rendered my Windows almost unusable. I could get online and do nothing else, including seeing the file system (or starting a console) or I could open a console (I seriously could not do both at the same time.) I rescued what could be rescued and then reinstalled Windows without Norton.
Oddly enough, I've used Symantec Enterprise since then at several jobs and never had a problem with it.
(At one point, I tried McAfee. It didn't cause any performance problems, but didn't catch a virus one of my kids "downloaded" from a legitimate teen site.)
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