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Dalek Dave wrote: I shall start out about 6.00am and get a good couple of hours miles before the worst of the traffic.
I fixed that for you!
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I have to go into London tomorrow, meetings all morning then lunch with Her Beautifulness.
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Dalek Dave wrote: it is a wretched hive of scum and villainy
If you want to get into politics you better get used to that! 
"State acheived after eating too many chocolate-covered coconut bars - bountiful"
Chris C-B
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Dalek Dave wrote: it is a wretched hive of scum and villainy
And Manchester?
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Ah don't be listening to this southern jessie.
Manchester is great
We just make it look bad when the southerners visit. That way they don't come back! 
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I went to Manchester once. It was closed.
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Like I said - intentionally. 
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From my experience you will probably be okay going up there but will spend an hour or so in slow traffic on the way back.
Also, use the toll section of the M6.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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England are kicking a ball about again against some other team this evening. Another slow journey home. 
I wish I could leave here earlier than 4:30 or later than 6:30, unfortunately I can't today.
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Display Name Taken wrote: Another slow journey home.
You could, of course, ride back home with the Armada.
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Is that the Spanish Armada or the Inquisition?
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No-one expects the Spanish Armada!
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Display Name Taken wrote: Display Name Taken
You could find another one?
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I did, that one was taken too, even DisplayNameTaken was taken, so I ended up with this. 
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I'm not really interested in the political aspect (for this discussion), although it will likely morph into that.
Given the technology for the time of the "crash" (2010-2011), is it actually feasible that the emails regarding the IRS controversy are gone and can never be retrieved GIVEN the premise there was no direct action(s) taken to erase said emails?
One story by Politico: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/irs-lois-lerner-emails-108044.html[^]
The reason I ask is because while I'm not the most tech savvy person, I have worked many years in tech-support which involved some low-level data retrieval, remotely repairing computer software as well as physical computer repair. This was all done on personal computers and when it came down to data retrieval, it was highly likely that data was actually lost beyond the point of retrieval. The only times I wasn't able to retrieve the data personally was when a hard drive failed and it had to be shipped off and even then it was highly unlikely that the data could not be recovered. In short, I find it highly unlikely that the emails for this controversy are lost but I thought I'd see if my betters had insight into data storage for enterprise applications.
modified 19-Jun-14 7:53am.
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It depends on what idiots were running the mail servers. Possible? Sure, but EVERY email on certain servers would be lost, not just hers. Even if she had a email server dedicated entirely to her (not likely at all) it's selectivity in losing certain emails is just impossible.
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No, not unless the gov't upgrades their email servers faster than private businesses...
And not unless they have a standard destruction policy for off sight backups (sarcasm).
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And besides, during that time, most people had very limited email inbox storage on their PC. They had auto archive features and usually, high level managers, were the most affected and most likely to use the auto archive. Lowly level people were much less likely to get the volume of email necessary to auto archive.
Where I work now, things are different, I have a huge email inbox that I could never fill... but it is not on my local PC... it is on a redundant server, and that server is backed up.
Think about raid redundancy plus off site backups, plus the local copy. Only the PC crashed... not the servers, not the backups, and probably the local copy could be recovered too!
Think about a PC crashing... this only means windows wont boot. You can always slave a dead drive and copy the files ... I know, I've paid to recover files from a 'crashed' and dead PC. The boot sector failed and more was dieing every time I tried to read it. I had to find a guy with the right tools, it took a few attempts to find said person (geek squad and the like failed), but that guy did it for only $200.
And I've always heard that you can still read a disc that is overwritten multiple times. And I hear you can build a device to read those overwrites for a few hundred dollars. I could say more, but I'll stop... just look it up. That story is totally bogus - a cover up attempt by someone that has no clue.
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Not even remotely believable. There are federal laws that require all archiving of these matters. If she had all of her high level email on a local hard drive, she would be breaking the law.
Plus no backups?
Plus emails from 6 others all gone? Pure cover up....
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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one other suggestion I heard - get the director of IT to testify about the email set up. I doubt some tech guy is going to take a dive for this high level government trash.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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If he's paid enough, he will 
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he'd have to declare it as income, running the risk of an audit... oh, wait...
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I don't know the details of this IRS data loss, but data can be recovered from a hard disk only up to a point.
First, operating systems don't overwrite immediately: that's why you have a "Recycle bin" that can recover data. Only when the space is really needed, is the actual data overwritten.
At worse, the magnetic media can be scanned by specialist equipment which can retrieve a number of dataasets, because of hysteresis in magnetic fields themselves - it isn't a simple "0/1", but a magnetic "shape" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_hysteresis[^]
The previous data influences the actual magnetism applied to the disk to write the "new" data - which is why a secure disk wipe requires a number of pattern writes in order to ensure that the data is destroyed.
And that means that under "normal circumstances" the last couple of disk data sets can be read back and regenerated even if they have been deleted and overwritten. (It's also why I am in the habit of physically destroying magnetic media which has held secure information)
So...if the hard drive can be located, the emails can probably be retrieved, even after a disk crash.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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I know - I've hand-wired one of them before. If you want a fiddly, tedious, and annoying job I heartily recommend it. Fun when you see it working though!
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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