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Richard MacCutchan wrote: who regularly drive at 30-40% above the speed limit [etc...]
They do because they can 
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I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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Yeah. There are some dicks in every form of transport but cyclists seem to be grouped together in a way that pedestrians and motorists aren't.
That said, riding on the road is not being a dick, it's an entirely legitimate thing for a vehicle to do, and cycle paths are typically terrible and badly maintained.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: park on the pavement,
I do miss having a pushchair with me when I come across a car blocking the pavement. Not my fault if their car gets all scratched and the wing mirror falls off as I try to get by.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: And probably break the odd rule.
To be honest Richard, you are odd...
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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You only just figured that out?
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
You only just figured that out?
I never new about the odd rule. 
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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I work in Oxford and we certainly have a lot of cyclists. I noticed a lot of them do not use the cycle paths and instead use the road. Being a driver it annoyed me a little so I asked a friend of mine who regularly cycles. Simply put it is easier to use the road for more experienced cyclists.
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That's often because cycle paths often force the cyclist to be like a second-rate pedestrian, cycling alongside left-turning traffic (UK), while merging with the normal flow is frequently safer and quicker.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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For people who potter about on their bikes then cycle paths are fine . But a decent cyclist can average over 20mph . These cycle lanes where you give way to cars every 100 yards or so mean that you end up stopping every few seconds . On a 10 mile commute it can easily double the time it takes to get to work .
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Cyclists, generally, are selfish people who think they have the right to do whatever they want. Ringing your bell and shouting at me to get out of the way on the foot path will not work. Get off the sidewalk and onto the road where you belong.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
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mark merrens wrote: CyclMotorists, generally, are selfish people who think they have the right to do whatever they want.
FTFY
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: MotoristsPeople, generally, are selfish people who think they have the right to do whatever they want.
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Yes, and I demand my right to be right.
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Even better, I hereby grant you the right to be correct.
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If you've ever worked in the City of London you'd know it is the cyclists. I agree that motorists can be twats but nothing like cyclists. They came barreling down the street, straight at you and get angry if you don't move out of the way. Morons.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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Not all of them, in the same way that not all motorists try to run you down.
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Yes, actually, all of them. Every day was a game of wits with the bastards, especially the delivery cyclists.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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Meanwhile in the Netherlands..
This problem doesn't exist because the cyclist lanes are (generally) actually decent. No need to cycle anywhere else.
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I think you've hit the nail on the head there.
I had a holiday in the Netherlands recently (from the UK) and it was a real pleasure to be able to cycle safely (and with far fewer hills).
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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I always cycle on the road, not off-road cycle paths, because those (i) require you to give way at every side road, (ii) are poorly surfaced and maintained, and (iii) are full of pedestrians who don't pay attention to cycles or the lane marking that split them.
Lots of people cycle in pedestrian areas (footpaths and designated vehicle-free zones) because of the attitude that bikes aren't welcome on the road, so people treat them as an extension of pedestrians not a type of road vehicle.
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Basically everybody is a selfish a***hole, particularly cyclists and motorists who get so defensive they become offensive, but pedestrians don't show enough awareness of what is going on around them most of the time.
There was a report a week or two ago about the problems of emergency vehicles in the UK, motorists don't get out of the way anymore. They say it is because of a lack of courtesy, I think it is a lack of awareness. Many is the time I hear a siren, see the vehicle behind me, pull over somewhere sensible, only to have the car behind me and infront of the ambulance overtake me and stay in front of the ambulance.
I was following a police car with lights and sirens on that was in a collision with another car once. The woman driving the other car had no idea at all that the police car was there until the collision happened, unlike the bloke in the passenger seat who's face was an absolute picture of ever increasing fear.
I've seen a number of collisions between cyclist and car, one was a cyclist overtaking a queue of traffic when a car turned right and the cyclist drove into the side of the car. Another was a cyclist crossing a road (on a pedestrian crossing that wasn't showing a red light to cars) between cars in a queue when a car came down the right hand lane and took him out straight on. Another was a car driver having no idea there was a cyclist coming and pulling out in front of him.
I've nearly been taken out by cyclists on footpaths a number of times, they seem to think that one way roads don't apply to them too.
Although I did step out in front of a cyclist crossing the road a few weeks ago, although in my defense the sun was right behind him and I didn't see him coming at all. I apologised and he was happy.
The main problem is that British roads are not suitable for cyclists, and footpaths most definitely are not the correct place for them.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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It can be argued that British roads are not suitable for Cars?
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Perhaps, although still the easiest place for them to drive.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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I don't think it's just about lack of awareness, people just don't give a sh*t.
In Austria they got tired of people obstructing the way for emergency vehicles.
An awareness campaign together with a fine of up to €2180 and temporary confiscation of the vehicle, has solved the problem almost completely.
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