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You lucky bastard. How did you even find a job like that?
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In 1965 I left the Air Force as an EW, and found immediate employment at the relatively newly formed GE mainframe plant in my hometown of Phoenix. I started out in the hardware factory bringing up the hardware systems, then moved into the Test and Diagnostics area, then moved up to the Operating System area. 35 years later I retired, and never had to write a single line of HTML.
Dave.
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Member 4194593 wrote: never had to write a single line of HTML.
Do it. I dare you. You'll feel better for joining the web crowd. Be one of us. Here I'll get you started if you just complete the line...
<p>Hello World!</p...
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy,
I typed that into my text editor and tried to assemble it with MASM. Here is what I got:
C <p>Hello World!</p
.\pkg\Start.pkg(5229) : error A2045: missing angle bracket or brace in literal
See Algorithms, the entry for April 1st to see what I do for fun and games.
Dave. 
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Member 4194593 wrote: See Algorithms, the entry for April 1st to see what I do for fun and games.
Ooooooh, I'm on it. 
Jeremy Falcon
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I just checked my articles and saw that I use 'developer' and it's variants, however that's because I'm not native English and I do translate from hebrew - where the word is 'developer', 'development'...
I do not consider 'program' and 'programmer' to be dirty, but now that you mentioned it I will use it to check possible future employer - he do not likes me to be programmer, I will not work with him!
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Dan Sutton wrote: More to the point, don't "coding" and "coder" sound menial to you - as though you have no actual idea of what you're doing,
To me, I don't like the term code monkey. That's menial, like I'm brainless. Anything else I can live with.
Dan Sutton wrote: It seems to me that there's a type of self-denigration going on in the programming world: twenty years ago, we appeared to people as gods; now we're seemingly trying to blend in and appear to them in a form they can understand... I don't like it.
It's because the industry is a lot more blurred now in what we do. Back in the day we didn't have as many roles like QAs, BSAs, et al sticking their hand in the development pot. As the industry got more complex and more titles hopped on board, we're no longer the end all be all to development.
But that shouldn't make you feel bad, it just means we also have to broaden our horizons and continue to grow with the industry. Guys like us started our work lives with a very fresh and new industry around the dot com boom. That doesn't happen too often, especially on the magnitude of something globe changing like the Internet. Dilution of one single role is what happens with any industry that starts maturing.
Jeremy Falcon
modified 28-May-14 14:49pm.
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I much to prefer going by software developer or software architect since it to me gives more meaning of developing new ideas/products, or being the architect behind a software tool/process that helps my business clients move forward.
"I've seen more information on a frickin' sticky note!" - Dave Kreskowiak
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Or vastly before the dot-com boom. . .
According to my calculations, I should be able to retire about 5 years after I die.
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Dan Sutton wrote: don't "coding" and "coder" sound menial to you
They sound way to classy! Let's call ourselves scriptkiddies! 
It's an OO world.
public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
{
public void DoWork()
{
throw new NotSupportedException();
}
}
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programmer sounds like someone who is write code as a better secretary.
I like more software developer, because it sounds more discovering new ways in software.
I feel more and more writing code is sometimes annoying and an easy routine, but finding a concept "how to solve this problem" or GUI is really harder. 
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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Funny. To me, "software developer" sounds like a soft programmer: the exact opposite impression that you have of it.
You're (possibly) right about the "writing code" thing -- but it depends on why: a good programmer will say that all the work takes place in the head - the part where you actually type the program into the computer is done after the event, and is the menial bit...
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dont-call-yourself-a-programmer/[^]
"“Programmer” sounds like “anomalously high-cost peon who types some mumbo-jumbo into some other mumbo-jumbo.” If you call yourself a programmer, someone is already working on a way to get you fired. "
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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Alternative title: why you should run like hell from business programming
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Ah, now that I can agree with. It's a shame that's where most of the money is, though... however, I've found over the years that if you want to, you can still do elegant things where business programming is concerned - of course, you'll never have an audience for it, but then again, most programmers are fairly solipsistic anyway.
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harold aptroot wrote: why you should run like hell from business programming
Versus what exactly? Academics?
Myself, businesses make money and I like getting paid.
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I don't pretend to have the answer. That article, however, strongly argues against going into (or being in) business programming.
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Interesting. It'd be fascinating to get the ages of everyone who posts: I wonder if opinions like yours come from a different generation from mine (I'm 48 - been programming since 1979): perhaps I'm just old...
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I'm 63 - been programming since 1967. I am older than all others in my department and started programming before my immediate manager was born. 
According to my calculations, I should be able to retire about 5 years after I die.
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This smells too much of marketing efforts. My guess is that this has something to do with the fact that you want a shallow description to separate the good from the bad/ugly. Meaning that the ones that cant use google or doesn't know anybody that works on code, would blurp out programmer instead of engineer or coder? I wouldn't be surprised if it was
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No - it's not about that. It's about the fact that, back in the days, being a "programmer" was something to be proud of - perhaps because it was a new thing to be -- there wasn't much of a history of programming in the '70s... perhaps it's just old-fashioned at this point, or ubiquitous, or something -- mind you, these days, there's a slew of sh*tty programmers around (just try hiring one) whereas 30 years ago, there wasn't room for sh*tty programmers -- the whole industry's different at this point.
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Well, I'm not that old, but the people that are educated as an engineer in a discipline other than programming, sees it as a tool to do their work and little else, and the professors I had seem to have the same idea.
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Well, sure... but programming's a bit more than that, really: I think (well, actually I know) that if you're deeply into it, then it becomes a mindset: it's not by accident that things like "The Tao of Programming" and thecodelesscode.com exist; programming bleeds into everything else in life, and changes you fundamentally as an individual.
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