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Or a good place to go knock back a few. 
Sometimes the true reward for completing a task is not the money, but instead the satisfaction of a job well done. But it's usually the money.
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LOL. Sorry, but I don't think I can anymore be involved in proper discussion. Alcohol as taken over.
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Now that is a very hard piece of judgement.
Posting in Sugs&Bugs forum, as other already mentioned, is what you need to do to report something buggy. To add up to what other said: the staff gets directly alerted when a post is made in that forum, so you cannot get a more responsive approach.
"Large number of ads" is more than unfair. Ads are almost invisible on the desktop PC version of the site (Sorry announcers, I meant "well integrated", not invisible, of course).
Maybe they are a bit more intrusive on mobile (what are you using) ?
Nobody ever mentioned navigation problems due to ads, what is your setup ?
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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Rage wrote: Nobody ever mentioned navigation problems due to ads, what is your setup ?
I have[^]. Happened twice more after that, I believe it's yet another bug in IE.
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cp has ads?! 
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
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You've raised a number of issues, so let me address one by one.
First, we've just launched Workspaces[^] and a central piece of this is ::Tasks - which we ourselves are now using to track bugs and suggestions[^].
Previous to us using this we've had the Bugs and Suggestions forum[^] for years. Further, you also are familiar with our email as you've emailed Sean and myself numerous times with your insightful suggestions. Please keep sending them.
So there are plenty of ways for you to contact us.
Second, I do believe ads are important - they pay the rent - but there's a balance too and we are investing an absolute ton of time into ensuring the ads we show are sensible, relevant to developers and of a certain quality.
At the moment we're experimenting with a new ad provider and some of the ads aren't relevant, but every single day we go through them and block the ones that are unsuitable. Further, we allow you guys to vote on the ads that you don't like, and Google themselves (when they are the ad provider) allow you to block the ads. This is an ongoing effort to keep the ads to a sufficient level.
With regards to ads hiding navigation, please let me know where this is happening. Our ads are kept extremely well-penned and aren't allowed to cause havoc. If they are then that's a problem we won't tolerate.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Please see my response to David.
Gus Gustafson
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gggustafson wrote: there is no way that I can click on a link and provide the CP staff with a problem (bug) report.
There is a forum to do just that.
gggustafson wrote: I think that the quality of Code Project is going down. ... Let's make CP more professional!
Before making general value judgements one should at least consider that the one doing the evaluation has in fact changed over time. Thus, for example, one might hope that the observer has become better (even objectively) over time and thus they themselves are now more capable of recognizing a different level of quality than they did sometime in the non-trivial past. If they are in fact better now then that very well could be the sole differentiator of why quality seems to be different.
gggustafson wrote: Chris may believe that ads are important. And to some extent I agree
Anyone that considers themselves a professional should learn that ads on a free site are the most important thing. Professionals make money and they should consider that others should be allowed to make money as well. And if they don't like ads then consider how much they would like to pay monthly for the service and offer that as an alternative.
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I'm just going to say this...
When I have a question, I post it and get responses almost immediately...
When I want to research a topic, I search and (usually) find what I need almost immediately...
If I have the time, I'll contribute occasionally...
Everything just "works". I find the sight very helpful and easy to use, and when I have the opportunity I enjoy the company. Everything is well monitored. I've never had any issues with any of the features.
I feel the aggressive nature of these posts toward Chris and the team is uncalled for. Frankly, the site is free, and I appreciate everything I have gotten from it over the past few years. If the team wishes to implement feature which make their lives easier... which ultimately makes our experience better... the I say go for it. Calling the team unprofessional is uncalled for, IMO.
I'm extremely happy with the way things are, and have no complaints with either the site or the team running it. Just my 2 cents.
-Bert
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Implementing a "feature" that makes the CP staff's lives easier is not a valid reason. It must be to make the authors and answerers lives easier.
Gus Gustafson
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And the site developers are not important? If they add a "feature", as you call it, then there was obviously a reason. In fact, Chris even specifically told you what that reason was. No matter his feelings on the matter, he implemented it, and told us why and what he uses it for. He may have done it for "selfish reasons" but that does not mean he is the only human on the planet that will ever use it.
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I think Code Project is one of the best sites on the internet...kudos to Chris and his team for evolving it over the years with new and interesting stuff and all the article authors that take the time out to post on the site.
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You're welcome.
Gus Gustafson
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I like this site a lot. I can't complain about the features it has but I would like to see more strict moderation. Some "articles" look like drafts or are not informative enough to deserve a place on CP. CP should be a place for quality content only. This way the site will remain relevant and attract more people who are willing to spend a lot of time creating valuable and well formatted content...
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I will second this. I have only submitted one article and when I did I went through what seemed like heavy moderation. I really didn't know what I was doing, so it came back more than once with suggestions which I was happy to implement as they made the article not only look better, but higher quality. Since then though I have seen multiple articles that are worse than my first draft ever was, but still somehow made it through. Consistent rules and moderation are really needed for everyone, whether it is your first article or you 1,000th.
As for ads. I'm with the people who said "CP has ads?". I can't say I noticed them at all. I'm not on here a ton, I log on every morning check the Insider News and read through the article headlines, but that's about it unless I'm researching something.
Keep up the good work, Chris and team! The site is great.
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What is the number of ads you are seeing? I usually use AdBlock for Chrome, but after reading this, I have disabled it for this site, and I still have no issues navigating the site whatsoever. In fact, on any given page, I am only seeing a maximum of 3 ads, and they are always in the same places, the header, footer, and the right side of the page. I am all for contributing to help make something more professional, but I don't think removing ads is the way to go. As Chris has mentioned in multiple replies, you can indeed submit both bugs and suggestions.
So, my question to you is this: Other than your issues with not being able to find where to submit bugs and suggestions, and the ads that appear to be working incorrectly on your browser, what other issues are you having, and what exactly do you want done about it.
P.S. The addition of Workspaces for this site actually intrigued me so much so that I immediately signed up for a paid subscription. I love how simple it is to use, and how fast CP updating it. My suggestion would be to maybe implement an ad-free version of the site for those that have a paid subscription. It would not affect me either way, but it's just an idea. 
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All right, Gus. I started with your first post on this thread with a mindset of - "yes, occasionally speaking truth to power is a good thing, and Chris and the great folks at CodeProject are really good at listening, building, improving, and taking suggestions to heart... let's see where this goes."
After reading your responses to those who responded to you, including Chris, know now that you've lost me. I think you are bordering on insulting, if not outright insulting some very good people.
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Mike, at no time have I ever intended insult. I intend discussion, no matter how heated. Your defense of Chris may be laudable but no defense is required.
When discussions become heated (as this one has), I take caution to avoid ad hominem arguments. Insulting is an ad hominem argument. When an individual (in this case Chris) takes an action for selfish reasons, failing to consider the 10 million+ folks who supposedly use this site, then that is wrong and that individual needs to be taken down.
Be careful how you interpret my comments. I hold CP, its founder, and its staff in the highest regards. I would not spend the time to write articles and answer member's questions if I did not. I have never questioned the intent of Chris or the CP staff except in the case of moving a page. However when something is amiss, I will make known the problem.
In forensics (formal debate) I am not squeamish. And I do not plan to become squeamish! If you consider forcefulness as insulting then I fear the problem is with your definition, not with my assertiveness.
Gus Gustafson
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Gus, I'm not sure I should have to have the responsibility of interpreting your comments. I read what you wrote and pointed out to you that you lost me. Perhaps you should keep responsibility yourself for what you choose to write.
gggustafson wrote: When discussions become heated (as this one has), I take caution to avoid ad hominem arguments. Insulting is an ad hominem argument. When an individual (in this case Chris) takes an action for selfish reasons, failing to consider the 10 million+ folks who supposedly use this site, then that is wrong and that individual needs to be taken down.
You lose me with statements just like this.
Do you realize what you're saying in this statement? You think Chris needs to be 'taken down'? You presume to have the wisdom to conclude that? You say no defense of Chris is required, yet you clearly are attacking him - you just wrote he needs to be 'taken down'. Are you sure you're not intending insult? It sounds like in spite of your protests, you certainly do.
I'm not even interpreting. Those are your words.
For the record, I don't care how forceful you think you are, nor how virtuous you think forcefulness makes you.
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I fully assume responsibility for what I wrote. I also stand by it.
Yes, I think in this case Chris did wrong and needs to be taken down. No question! CP is no longer his toy (although I doubt that he ever considered it such). By doing what he did, he lessened the usefulness of a web site page, making the lower portion of the page unusable. That is inexcusable.
I believe that you are now descending into semantics.
But thank you for your comments.
Gus Gustafson
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gggustafson wrote: I believe that you are now descending into semantics.
You're wrong.
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In addition to Mike's statements, which I am aligned to...
I can claim to be king of the lizard people... standing by that comment does nothing to prove it's validity.
Further, you most certainly do not speak for all 10 million members, any more then I speak for the hundred bazillion lizard people.
I get quite a bit of mileage from the articles, tips, and questions on this site... if Chris decided to rename it "Chris' Super Mega Awesome Website" and plaster his face on the top in lieu of Bob, I wouldn't care a bit... because I could still use it for what I want. It doesn't matter if Chris and the team are the drivers of this bus, as long as it gets us to our destination ! Plus, we have some pretty good company along the way.
Now, if you have problems with ads corrupting the viability of the website's usage, forward screenshots and browser details to the team. I'm sure you'll find them responsive ! Bugs and suggs is for these issues.
If you have issues with a particular article, flag it, or put it in bugs and suggs.
Finally, please remember that the bugs and suggs page exists for the resolution of these issues. If they include a tool on that page which helps them resolve these issues in a faster manner - AND allows us to see their progress and "roadmap" - then what exactly is the problem here? Personally, I find it interesting to see what the team is up to, and it does not impact my ability to view that page. Admittedly, I don't submit any bugs, but I do visit from time to time, just to see what's up.
Remember, we're all a community. We don't have to agree on everything ! But, if many people did not like the site, they wouldn't be here.
-Bert
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Remember them?
I just had an order for a ribbon for one of them.
Who the hell still uses what must now be a 30 year old printer?
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Ad astra per alas porci.
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