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So for a year I have switched to and been working on Linux. What fun, nice, simple, predictable, logical, 'does what it says on the tin' kind of an OS. Been fixing all sorts of nasty kernel bugs, and generally having a lot of fun.
Now I have had to take a look at one of the firms Windows drivers, and I am trying to run it through the WHQL test kit...
What a pain in the arse the WHQL kit is. It is SO hard to get it to install properly. SO hard to get it to run properly. SO hard to get it to produce consistent results, that it reminds me exactly why I got totally pissed off with working with Windows; it has so many hoops to jump through you forget what you are actually trying to achieve and get utterly worn out and frustrated in the process to the point you feel like taking a claw hammer to all your Windows PCs.
Christ I hate Windows. It makes me want to puke.
Now I know why Mark Russinovich looks so knackered.
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Erudite_Eric wrote: working on Linux
...Erudite_Eric wrote: Been fixing all sorts of nasty kernel bugs
Soon you'll be looking knackered. Um, if Linux is so sh*thot, how come you're having to fix nasty kernel bugs? 
If your neighbours don't listen to The Ramones, turn it up real loud so they can.
“We didn't have a positive song until we wrote 'Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue!'” ― Dee Dee Ramone
"The Democrats want my guns and the Republicans want my porno mags and I ain't giving up either" - Joey Ramone
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Mark H2 wrote: how come you're having to fix nasty kernel bugs?
Maybe because of this![^]
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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You beat me to it. That is exactly what I thought when I read that statement.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
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JimmyRopes
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JimmyRopes wrote: That is exactly what I thought when I read that statement
Then you are equally stupid. How does saying one enjoys working on Linux mean one thinks Linux is 'sh*t hot'?
The stupidity of people is staggering.
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Erudite_Eric wrote: Then you are equally stupid.
Down boy. Don't get your panties in a bunch!
You Linux evangelists may follow blindly but that doesn't make others stupid, that just makes you a blind evangelist.
Erudite_Eric wrote: How does saying one enjoys working on Linux mean one thinks Linux is 'sh*t hot'?
You don't think Linux is sh*t hot? It sure sounded like you did.
Erudite_Eric wrote: The stupidity of people is staggering.
Is that an admission? 
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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JimmyRopes wrote: You Linux evangelists
Where did I say I was a Linux evangelist?
You really are one stupid sob.
Tell me, what has Linux got to do with a third party driver written for a chunk of hardware that just happens to be used on a particular SOC?
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Mark H2 wrote: if Linux is so sh*thot, how come you're having to fix nasty kernel bugs
Why do you think that is a clever reply?
Its typical of the narrow minded partisan stupidity evident in human nature. If you actually read what I wrote you will realize I said I enjoy working on Linux far more than Windows not that Linux was 'sh*t hot'.
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Well, if getting sh*tty with people for what is quite obviously a flipant comment is your way of dealing with things then help yourself.
Where I work we take the p*ss out of each other all day every day. Nobody gets wound up about it.
If your neighbours don't listen to The Ramones, turn it up real loud so they can.
“We didn't have a positive song until we wrote 'Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue!'” ― Dee Dee Ramone
"The Democrats want my guns and the Republicans want my porno mags and I ain't giving up either" - Joey Ramone
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Mark H2 wrote: Soon you'll be looking knackered. Um, if Linux is so sh*thot, how come you're having to fix nasty kernel bugs?
Because he can, unlike in Windows.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Ahh, why didn't I think of that! Oh, I know, its 'cos I'm stupid and narrow minded 
If your neighbours don't listen to The Ramones, turn it up real loud so they can.
“We didn't have a positive song until we wrote 'Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue!'” ― Dee Dee Ramone
"The Democrats want my guns and the Republicans want my porno mags and I ain't giving up either" - Joey Ramone
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I've often thought of abandoning Windows and moving to Linux for a change of pace.
How long did it take you to learn Linux well enough to become employed at working on it?
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote: How long did it take you to learn Linux well enough to become employed at
working on it
About a month.
The kernel is very similar to windows, PASSIVE is process, DISPATCH and DIRQ, soft and hard interrupt. DPCs are work items, spin locks are spinlocks and so on. The language is C and the protocols and HW interfacing are the same. The only difference is the API to the kernel and different tools; using test editors to edit code rather than VS, and having to use your own code profiling tools because browse info isn't built.
Debugging is different too. Windbg is a great tool, and Linux has nothing like it, so the best that can be done is with kgdb, which isn't bad. Once annoyance, you cant build an entire kernel in debug (un optimized) mode, only per file using #pragma. You have to do that to have proper step through in the kernel. You also cant break into the OS at boot time and automatically drop into a debugger on exception, like in Windows.
But it is so much easier to write code for, so many less hoops to jump through, that you can really focus on getting your work done rather than dicking around.
Right now I am trying to run the MSFT HCK client on Vista, to fix a bug in a third party windows driver, and the HCK client isn't a valid win32 app apparently. This is typical MSFT. Absoloute sh*tty experience. Days and days and days I have wasted f***ing around with this crap trying to get consistent results out of it and so far, zero. That's the Windows experience all over.
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It's been hard not to notice that there are a bunch of you who aren't too shabby when it comes to a bit of keyboard action. There are, in fact, some painfully good (and incredibly generous) programmers hanging out here and I had an idea.
Last night I was up till the wee, wee hours of this morning fighting with some alternative WYSIWYG HTML editors for the article editor. Our current HTML WYSIWYG editor is, well, a little long in the tooth and I need to replace it to save my (and your) sanity. CKEditor seems the best so far - except that it refuses to do what I want it to and insists on mangling the HTML it's given. There is no "don't screw with my HTML" option.
We discussed, ages ago, the possibility of having you guys take on some interesting bits and pieces of CodeProject development and this seemed a perfect opportunity to give it a try.
Is there still any interest? I've opened a new Workspace and setup a Git repo at https://workspaces.codeproject.com/codeproject/codeproject/wysiwyg-editor[^] for anyone who's interested in diving in and helping build some of the CodeProject infrastructure. You'll obviously need to have a basic understanding of JavaScript (and Git!) to get going, but feel free to ping me if you need help getting off the ground.
This is just an experiment and if there's interest then I'd love to open more and more up to let you guys start mixing things up a little.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris,
first of all: My congratulations on the decision of replacing the old HTML Editor. From what I've heard, it started to nag not only on your sanity but on the sanity of the Members who don't write articles very frequently.
I'd love to give my 5 cents of code to this one, but I'm certain that there are many many of us who are better with JavaScript than I am, so I focus on getting the Article about ::Tasks done, and the GUI mockup thingie.
Chris Maunder wrote: if there's interest then I'd love to open more and more up to let you guys start mixing things up a little.
Ahem.. I dare to bring up the Tasks-API again.
I will never again mention that Dalek Dave was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel.
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Want any assembly or drivers writing?
Nah, thought not! 
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Can you do an Article Editor Client which communicates via encrypted TCP in Assembly?
I will never again mention that Dalek Dave was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel.
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You can call win32 via assembly[^], so he could. We all know how much he loves windows. 
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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I just get so sick of the endless hoops you have to jump through to get anything running properly on windows, and how easily it breaks itself. And once it is broken, its 'total install'. Ghost, the Windows programmers go to tool....
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Of course. All the code you write in C# or C++ just ends up as assembly anyway.
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No touting for workers in the lounge... I'm telling Chri... oh, wait.
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Chris Maunder wrote: till the wee, wee hours
:snigger: he said "wee wee"
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He got up to go to the bathroom! 
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It's a bit unrelated, but I've been working on a little CP desktop gadget[^] that I plan to publish here sometime as an article... and I had a question. 
Are there any CodeProject API's for getting user notifications, or reporting messages/members?
The user notifications are more important, but the reporting would make the spam-detecting aspects of the application much easier to code.
At the moment the app uses a WebBrowserControl running in the background, refreshing every minute or so and then scraping the html for user notifications.
The human-approved reporting was going to use another WebBrowserControl and do some DOM invoking to click buttons and stuff.
API's would also consume less server resources. 
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Opening up the reporting system via an external API isn't something we're totally keen on at this point. It's a very large, scary can of worms.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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