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Thank you. I think that's my second unassisted solution in a week. It If keep this up, then who knows, in ten years I might be allowed to call myself apprentice to OG or Tom Lawton. 
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
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You're certainly getting better at this!
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Sometimes, a possible candidate just leaps out at me but most other times, I feel like I'm staring at mud.
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
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I'd value your comments and insights about hosting ASP.NET sites with MS SQLServer on Mochahost. Their service offering seems complete and the pricing is competitive (might even say aggressive). TIA, John
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As I hurtled through space, one thought kept crossing my mind - every part of this rocket was supplied by the lowest bidder.
John Glenn
When the white missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land.
Desmond Tutu
America is the only country where a significant proportion of the population believes that professional wrestling is real but the moon landing was faked.
David Letterman
I'm not a paranoid, deranged millionaire. God dammit, I'm a billionaire.
Howard Hughes
After the game, the King and the pawn go into the same box.
Italian proverb
Men are like linoleum floors. Lay 'em right and you can walk all over them for thirty years.
Betsy Salkind
The only reason they say 'Women and children first' is to test the strength of the lifeboats.
Jean Kerr
I've been married to a communist and a fascist, and neither would take out the garbage.
Zsa Zsa Gabor
You know you're a redneck if your home has wheels and your car doesn't.
Jeff Foxworthy
When a man opens a car door for his wife, it's either a new car or a new wife.
Prince Philip
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kickboxing.
Emo Philips
Wood burns faster when you have to cut and chop it yourself.
Harrison Ford
The best cure for sea sickness, is to sit under a tree.
Spike Milligan
Lawyers believe a man is innocent until proven broke.
Robin Hall
Kill one man and you're a murderer, kill a million and you're a conqueror.
Jean Rostand
Having more money doesn't make you happier. I have 50 million dollars but I'm just as happy as when I had 48 million.
Arnold Schwarzenegger
We are here on earth to do good unto others. What the others are here for, I have no idea.
WH Auden
In hotel rooms I worry. I can't be the only guy who sits on the furniture naked.
Jonathan Katz
If life were fair, Elvis would still be alive today and all the impersonators would be dead.
Johnny Carson
I don't believe in astrology. I am a Sagittarius and we're very skeptical.
Warren Tantum ~
Hollywood must be the only place on earth where you can be fired by a manwearing a Hawaiian shirt and a baseball cap.
Steve Martin
Home cooking. Where many a man thinks his wife is.
Jimmy Durante
America is so advanced that even the chairs are electric.
Doug Hamwell
The first piece of luggage on the carousel never belongs to anyone.
George Roberts
If God had intended us to fly he would have made it easier to get to the airport.
Jonathan Winters
I have kleptomania, but when it gets bad, I take something for it.
Robert Benchley
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Opps you forgot Gandhi's [^]
Wonde Tadesse
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One of the other developers at work today finally had a problem with ajax not working right in IE... but worked in every other browser (Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Opera). It was because of that "User Agent" string that IE 10 & 11 passes (the site worked in IE9 fine). If they are going to say they are "Mozilla" shouldn't they at least have it work in Mozilla compatible code is passed back from IIS? We installed a "patch" on our dev server and it finally worked after a reboot. We can't just reboot our live server whenever we want to install this patch (we have many financial transactions per minute). The thing that makes me the maddest is that why use "Mozilla" user agent string if your not to web standards like Mozilla? Microsoft doesn't have a clue what standards are. I use IE to test sites and to download firefox when I get a new machine. That is about the only thing it's good for. It's bad that open source browsers/servers can stay more compliant to web standards than a company that has billions to spend. That is my rant for the day
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Quote: Finally IE issue
I know what you mean. I never had a problem with IE until I tried to use it.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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We normally have to do little work arounds here and there for minor things but this issues didn't allow the whole page to work. A page written in .NET, served by IIS, and tested with IE. 3 MS things that obviously don't always work together LOL
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rriegel wrote: A page written in .NET, served by IIS, and tested with IE. 3 MS things that obviously don't always work together LOL
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JimmyRopes
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Unfortunately, the "Mozilla" part of the user agent string has very little to with the modern work of the Mozilla foundation and more to do with legacy web servers not service up frames (remember frames?) back in like 1995.
Since then, just in case a webserver is really really out of date pretty much all browsers' agent strings start with "Mozilla".
So unfortunately, using the user agent to assume a set of features has been just plain unreliable for years now (http://learn.jquery.com/code-organization/feature-browser-detection/[^]).
If you really want to know what the JavaScript engine is capable of you need to be doing feature detection within your JavaScript.
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What is a fact filled helpful reply doing in a blatant rant thread?
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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It turns out that my own ranting skills might be rusty. I'm far too used to having to bite my tongue and then explain everything to the client.
I blame my colleagues. Apparently its company policy to be helpful.
Anyway. Agent sniffing is just not reliable. The ubiquity of the "Mozilla" prefix and the less popular but still prolific "like Gecko" suffix exist because agent sniffing wasn't helping the actual users. It hasn't been reliable for donkey's years and it does lead to just the kind of problem the OP ran into.
Friends don't let other friends read the user agent string.
My big issue with agent sniffing is that as a regular user of Internet Explorer, (Lumia 920 and Surface RT as well as good old desktop IE), it seems like almost every day I face a page that renders wrongly because someone wrote a website, either (still!!!) assuming that a browser identifying itself as "MSIE" is going to use the old IE6 box model; or perhaps they didn't check anything at all and just assumed that all browsers on a touch screen device are going to include JavaScript features only available to iPads.
I also still have a Nexus-One for travelling with. That bad boy uses the "Android Browser" and it has almost no "modern" features despite it also having "Mozilla/5.0" at the beginning of its agent string.
I do agree though that a reboot shouldn't have been required. It is vicious cruelty on the part of the web server vendor.
Is that better? I'm a little worried, like I might have gone too far. I don't like to get overexcited like this. Right now I want to go and punch one of those gym punching bag things and then write a strongly worded letter to the local council about the state of some of the footpaths in my area.
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(comments based on experience using Windows Forms only)
1. you like having a scrollbar in the Property Browser that does not work.
2. you enjoy even longer periods of ui paralysis to the tune of "Not Ready," "Loading," "Opening ..."
3. you enjoy even longer waits for basic tasks to complete, like opening Visual Studio, loading a Solution/Project, or creating a new one.
In case you wonder, I am running Win 8/64 on hardware that's pretty pedestrian these days (6420 Duo Core, 4gb. ram).
“The best hope is that one of these days the Ground will get disgusted enough just to walk away ~ leaving people with nothing more to stand ON than what they have so bloody well stood FOR up to now.” Kenneth Patchen, Poet
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What version of VS did you "upgrade" (notice the quotes) from to VS2013?
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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Sawasdee Khrup, Khun James,
I installed VS 2013 Ultimate Trial, then did the CTP 2 install.
Having reached the point of T63622A, suicide by jellyfish, using the 2013 CTP 2, I un-installed VS 2013 Ultimate, and then re-installed it so at least the scrollbar in the Property Browser works; I would have skipped re-installing it, but, the various projects I created in 2013 would not open in VS 2012 Ultimate 
"ngu, ngu, plaa, plaa", as we might say in Thai !
... approximate idiomatic translation: "neither fish, nor fowl."
“The best hope is that one of these days the Ground will get disgusted enough just to walk away ~ leaving people with nothing more to stand ON than what they have so bloody well stood FOR up to now.” Kenneth Patchen, Poet
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Sawasdee Khrup, Khun Bill,
I try to stay away from CTP unless there is a specific feature that I need.
In my old age I have become a wait and see type who doesn't install anything without waiting for the bleeding edge enthusiasts (of which I was for many years) to get hurt and work out the bugs.
From what you are experiencing I think I will wait a bit longer before "upgrading" to 2013. I may even wait until 2014 is stable unless I see a feature in 2013 that I can't live without.
BillWoodruff wrote: the various projects I created in 2013 would not open in VS 2012 Ultimate
I hate when that happens! Microsoft is notorious for that. 
Sorry I don't have any suggestions except to possibly take the .cs files from the 2013 solution and put them into a solution in 2012 if you continue to have a bad experience with 2013. That will be a bit of work but at least you will have a solution that you can work with.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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Indeed ... usually I don't swallow the latest pre-release dog-food; don't know what happened that I went for it this time ... a moment of weakness ?
And, yes, one could re-build/re-create a Project by just copy/paste the various files into 2012, but tedious ... that is.
cheers, Bill
“The best hope is that one of these days the Ground will get disgusted enough just to walk away ~ leaving people with nothing more to stand ON than what they have so bloody well stood FOR up to now.” Kenneth Patchen, Poet
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BillWoodruff wrote: a moment of weakness
I sometimes get the urge to play. 
BillWoodruff wrote: yes, one could re-build/re-create a Project by just copy/paste the various files into 2012, but tedious
I only suggest that if you cannot, or don't have the desire to, get VS 2013 to work.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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A clean slate is often the best solution.
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