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A Stop at the KFC in Chinas Rush Hour
Hmm i wonder why its doing that......ARGHS NO STOP, ROLLBACK ROLLBACK...F*** That's how i learned to "Always Backup"!!
Dogs are man's best Friend,
Cats are man's adorable little serial killer
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Obvious, isn't it?
Chicken Little.
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/mps-vote-ban-smoking-cars-children-214702778.html#m4AWaQV[^]
When? We dunno yet, but "before the next election" which basically means in the next 12 months or so.
It doesn't affect me: I gave up in 2004, but ... what do you think? Is this a massive violation of your rights? Or preventing a violation of the rights of children to breathe "good" air?
Does it work? I know it's been illegal in parts of Australia for 5 or more years, so does it affect anyone here?
I remember that when I was a kid, my Mum and my Dad smoked like chimneys, and on long journeys it was hard to see across the car at times...and yes, that probably did contribute to me becoming a smoker later on in life, but I can't say it definitely did.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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To be honest. You shouldn't have to ban that. That's just common sense. If you need a cigarette you can make a break and smoke where you don't affect any other people (especially children). The same goes for smoking inside. If you're around children: go outside!
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Nicholas Marty wrote: (especially children)
and also for those adult suffering from asthma.. 
Don't mind those people who say you're not HOT. At least you know you're COOL.
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I agree - but too many do still.
What continually amazes me is the number of people who seem to think that smoking a joint in the car on the way to the shops is fine and undetectable - judging by the strong smell clinging to them as they walk round the fruit and veg! 
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Nicholas Marty wrote: That's just common sense.
That should be obligatory by law. Too many people have a huge lack of common sense
Hmm i wonder why its doing that......ARGHS NO STOP, ROLLBACK ROLLBACK...F*** That's how i learned to "Always Backup"!!
Dogs are man's best Friend,
Cats are man's adorable little serial killer
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Common sense?
Are you serious?
Common sense has about as many meanings as there are people around.
And then you have all those people that doesn't care about other people, including their own children.
I'm predicting a large outcry about the nannystate.
And just to clarify, I completely agree with you. 
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OriginalGriff wrote: Is this a massive violation of your rights?
If it is then you must also have the right to spray 2,4-D in your car with kids present or drive around with an open can of pcbs next to them.
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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I am a smoker.
However I would not smoke in a car with a child anyway, so I feel this law is an invasion of rights and privacy.
Also, it will be virtually impossible to enforce.
They banned making mobile phone calls whilst driving yet it doesn't stop it happening all the time (Guilty as charged your honour).
Also, and rather weirdly, there was a 10 year study that had a very surprising result.
So surprising that the team behind the study had to check their figures. Twice.
The study found no statistically significant relationship between lung cancer and exposure to passive smoke, however. Only among women who had lived with a smoker for 30 years or more was there a relationship that the researchers described as “borderline statistical significance.”
(American Cancer Institute - Passive Smoking Study - 76,000 women over a decade)
There are many matters that need sorting out in this country, yet they seem hell bent on wasting time of minutiae and trivia rather than addressing the big issues.
We are being nannied to death and we need to stop interfering in every aspect of people's lives.
It would be easier to just make it socially unacceptable, like drink driving rather than legislating.
Speed Awareness notices are a great case in point.
Where there is a speed camera in place people will either get prosecuted for speeding or will drive as fast as they can then bang on the brakes just ahead of it.
But where there is a display telling you your speed rather than a camera, people will slow down more gently and continue at the lower speed.
In this case Cajolery works better than Punishment.
It should be the same with smoking.
My only wish, as a smoker, is that I should be treated as an adult.
There should be licensed premises where one can smoke.
Adult only, with people who smoke working there, and no access for children or non-smokers.
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Obscurum per obscurius.
Ad astra per alas porci.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur .
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A small point. They haven't banned using a mobile phone in cars - you can still use one provided it's hands-free.
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Yeah, but using a phone at all while driving is still debated (at least here) as it draws your attention away from the street, causing you to be signifacantly less reactive.
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There are apparently similar studies about smoking while driving, if you look at the ASH website.
I know it can be a lot more distracting when the hot end falls off and lands between your legs... 
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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People who smoke and drive have windows open and let the forces of physics do their duty.
Never had a hot end fall on me.
What will they try to ban next? Radio? Conversations?
Both are Distracting.
In fact it has been shown that one of the most dangerous distractions in a car is excess roadsigns.
Perhaps they should be banned.
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Obscurum per obscurius.
Ad astra per alas porci.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur .
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Yeah. Especially lighting the cigaratte is dangerous.
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How?
I am sitting at a set of lights, handbrake on, in neutral.
I take 2 seconds to flick a lighter.
Done.
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Obscurum per obscurius.
Ad astra per alas porci.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur .
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And how many others light it WHILE driving? Seen others do it often enough to know it's no unusual thing.
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Probably no more dangerous than changing radio stations or checking your sat nav.
There are much greater risks on the road.
Anyway it is not about safety it is about social control.
Slice by tiny slice our freedoms are eroded until we are sheep like and unaware that we have been led into complete obedience to all forms of authority.
We do not question the losses of our freedoms until it is too late.
Then there is a violent revolution.
The one thing history teaches us is that we do not learn from history.
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Obscurum per obscurius.
Ad astra per alas porci.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur .
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Dalek Dave wrote: Probably no more dangerous than changing radio stations or checking your sat nav.
True. An acquaintance of mine had a car accident as he was changing the radio station. Another driver in front of him was breaking unexpectedly and he couldn't react in time anymore.
Dalek Dave wrote: The one thing history teaches us is that we do not learn from history.
Only true enough
Yeah. I don't meant by that, that there should be laws against everything. Not at all. I agree with you that less laws would be better. But there are too many idiots out there. And I wouldn't want to have to walk on a street knowing that half the drivers are on the phone while the other half of them is drunk or high.
Note: Don't think that I'm anti-smoking. Not at all. I'm a smoker myself. But sometimes people need to use their brains instead of following only the laws like the sheep they are.
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Nicholas Marty wrote: True. An acquaintance of mine had a car accident as he was changing the radio station. Another driver in front of him was breaking unexpectedly and he couldn't react in time anymore.
Then he was not guarding the safe distance to the car in front of him.
Hmm i wonder why its doing that......ARGHS NO STOP, ROLLBACK ROLLBACK...F*** That's how i learned to "Always Backup"!!
Dogs are man's best Friend,
Cats are man's adorable little serial killer
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I guess he meant while driving on an icy highway at 100+ mph.
Dammit, were did I leave my common sense again?
Clean-up crew needed, grammar spill... - Nagy Vilmos
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I was once in the back of a car when an end discarded from the front window came back in my window and down the inside of my t-shirt.
And a former colleague was forever telling the story of his ex wife driving along with her sunroof open and a discarded cigarette from somewhere in front landing in her hair and setting fire to it. I think telling the story helped to cheer him up.
Smoking whilst driving is bad, bad for anyone else in the car, bad for anyone who has to smell anyone else in the car, bad for the environment with all the discarded ends, bad because drivers get discarded lighting up, distracted when looking to flick the ash somewhere, distracted when flicking the end out of the window.
Yet I don't know how I feel about legislating against dickheads.
Won't somebody think of the children!
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Dalek Dave wrote: My only wish, as a smoker, is that I should be treated as an adult.
There should be licensed premises where one can smoke.
Adult only, with people who smoke working there, and no access for children or non-smokers.
My wife smoked.
She worked in a pub.
She often needed to be nebulised at the end of her shift at the weekends.
After the smoking ban she didn't need that once.
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