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just did a config of a new laptop with Win 8.1 for my father in law.
I stick with my original comment. Win 8 is not suited for laptop or desktop machine. It's more for touch screen devices.
Try explaining Win 8 to an elderly user just coming from Win Xp and is not interested in PC's at all. 
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See my comment below.
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I know the desktop button is back, but can you configure the PC to launch the desktop by default? Perhaps I missed that, because by default it's all tiles...
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There must be a setting because my machine (Dell) launches to the desktop, but I didn't do anything to get it to do that.
I just purchased the machine and had Win 8.1 installed by a tech in the IT mall that was working in collaboration with the shop where I purchased the machine.
It launched to the desktop and I was happy about that. 
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Ok, I'll check it out, thanks 
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Yes. Right-click the task bar, select Properties -> Navigation and there are a couple of check boxes to set your choices.
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Quote: Win 8 is not suited for laptop or desktop machine. It's more for touch screen devices.
I certainly do agree. Yeah, you can get by using it on a laptop, but it does make sense for it to be on exclusively on touch devices.
The one thing (maybe more) that throws me off is why allow the "desktop mode" enabled on touch devices. Not sure where MS was going with that. Maybe they didn't know either. 
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I just got a new Windows 8 PC for SWMBO, and upgraded it to 8.1, so herself can have her old style "look and feel". Pretty painless and it's now set up with a nice Weven-looking desktop.
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I would say it's like a service pack. It's not bad of an update. I have only noticed a few changes that I don't mind.
Personally, I don't mind Win 8. Not calling it the greatest OS, but it is certainly not the worst.
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Clark Kent123 wrote: Personally, I don't mind Win 8. Not calling it the greatest OS, but it is certainly not the worst.
That was my impression also. Because I use a lot of keyboard shortcuts I was able to navigate easily regardless of where Windows launched.
Windows 8.1 just makes it a little easier because my machine launches to the desktop instead of Start.
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I've not only gotten used to it, I kind of prefer it now over Windows 7. If I could get an inexpensive copy, I'd use it as an excuse to buy an SSD for my home system and use it instead of Win 7. For $99, it isn't worth the hassle.
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Service pack. The only gotcha during setup is that if you declined to create an MS account for your logon with 8.0, the option to keep using your local logon instead of creating an MS account in the setup wizard is hidden somewhere you're unlikely to find unless you've got a second computer/tablet/etc available to BingGoogle it.
Once installed you'll probably want to change the default start screen search behavior. After going too far one direction by separating app/doc/setting results to separate screens in 8.1 MS overshot the other direction and in addition to combining all three of those will also send your search string to Bing and add results from there in unless you check the don't do that checkbox.
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I have. It was like a service pack (unless you're upgrading from the beta).
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the upgrading process scans and fixes a lot of driver issues and fixes your registry. It looks like a good idea to upgrade.
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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I like it. A couple definite improvements.
But then Win 8 didn't give me a case of the whinebags either, so YMMV.
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hi
I'm a c/c++/mfc developer in Korea.
I wonder if the women's style is also casual in other country?
Other type of occupation women have very good style. like skirt, shirt...cosmetic, jewels....
But...
I'm not interested in fashion, style...
so... is it similar other woman developer?
Thank you for reading my text with patience.
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The last women I have seen here had very good style. But hell, this was in 2003.
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I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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Women that have worked with me were not ultra-fashion-victims, they did not spent time getting really nice dressed to go to work. Which, of course has nothing to do to what they made when going out to dinner or so...
In our case though, possibly the problem was that we manufacture machines and therefore, it is not a brilliant idea to come really well dressed when you have to put yourself under a machine chassis to see some special behaviour of a machine during the setting up...
So my experience (being a macho-man that has worked with a couple of female-women  (I like to say something stupid like that as my name can be easily misunderstood in English speaking ocuntries)) is that they didn't were worried about fashion a lot.
PS: If any of those ladies is reading that, please forget me, as you know I'm under lot's of stress and most of the time I don't know what I do say...
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Joan Murt wrote: female-women
Is that a different species?
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Sometimes... 
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Joan Murt wrote: Which, of course has nothing to do to what they made when going out to dinner or so...
I see what you tried there: we do not believe you.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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No, no, no... Please no, they were almost married, me too... No possibilities nor will to try it...
Buuuuut, when going out to dinner with all the company people (twice per year) that was easily visible... They went there in a nicer look than the typical one.
Let's see, I hope I've escaped this big garden where I've step into...
modified 27-Jan-14 10:56am.
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Joan Murt wrote: they were almost married
I was also almost married once. 
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I am too mostly c++/MFC developer(sometimes i am dealing with c# projects)
I don't care about fashion i wear jeans and just a normal t-shirt.
The only thing that i care about is my clothes to be comfortable nothing else.
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