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Mark_Wallace5-Dec-13 21:32

Mark_Wallace

5-Dec-13 21:32

Anon wrote:
ANPR - Automatic Number Plate Recognition.

Really?

But the police call number plates indexes, so shouldn't it be Automatic Index Recognition?

I'm sure that no-one litigious has a trademark/copyright/patent or anything.

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OriginalGriff5-Dec-13 2:32

OriginalGriff

5-Dec-13 2:32

Damn stupid idea.

If you buy a car, how are you supposed to know when the tax runs / ran out? I get mine online, so I have no proof whatsoever that I bought it except for a print out I could produce very easily with Word!
The website won't let you know, and they have never sent reminders...

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter5-Dec-13 2:37

5-Dec-13 2:37

It's not clear to me. There is an ongoing taxation on cars AFTER you bought it? Not only a one time tax WHEN buying?

I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is (V).

Mark Parity5-Dec-13 2:41

Mark Parity

5-Dec-13 2:41

Yes, originally it was introduced to pay for the road upkeep, now it just goes into the big tax pot.

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter5-Dec-13 2:45

5-Dec-13 2:45

Do you have a yearly car test to renew the license of the car? How that the taxation not part of it?

I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is (V).

Mark Parity5-Dec-13 2:58

Mark Parity

5-Dec-13 2:58

Yes we have a MOT to make sure the vehicle has been maintained to a basic level of safety. (steering, breaks etc.)

The vehicle is registered when first used on the road and normally keeps the same registration number for its whole life.

To get the vehicle Taxed for use on the road, evidence of MOT and insurance by the registered keeper is required.

Richard Deeming5-Dec-13 3:02

Richard Deeming

5-Dec-13 3:02

Why tax only one, when you can tax both for twice the price? Sigh | :sigh:

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OriginalGriff5-Dec-13 3:17

OriginalGriff

5-Dec-13 3:17

There is a one time tax when you buy the car, based on the emmissions - plus VAT for commercial vehicles - but after that, there is:
Annual Road tax (amount varies according to CO2 emissions)
Tax on fuel, plus the VAT on the tax on the fuel.
Annual fitness test for the vehicle (after it is 3 years old) - there is a statutory fee for this.
Insurance, which also attracts an insurance premium tax (and I think, VAT on both of them)

In order to get the Tax, you need a valid test certificate (except they don't give you this anymore, it's all electronic) and a valid insurance certificate. (You do get a physical copy of this, but the police and tax departments work off the electronic version and this mostly is only useful to show you the number to ring to have your claim refused) In order to get the Insurance, you have to have a driving licence (again, all electronic, but you do get a pretty-much-worthless printed version with you photo on it which runs out every ten years and you have to pay for another. The police and insurance companies work off the electronic version. You will also get taxed to enter some areas, such as the London Congestion Zone.

Police cars (and some street cameras) are equipped with Automatic Number Plate Recognition devices linked to the various databases to ensure that you have paid all the required tax this week, unless you copy a law-abiding citizens number plate on the same make, model and colour of car - in which case you can do what the heck you like. One enterprising journalist waited at the end of Downing Street, and then copied the registration number of the Prime Minister's car, and had new plates made up for his...

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter5-Dec-13 3:32

5-Dec-13 3:32

Here we also have a one time tax when buying a car.
There is no road tax except only one road so far...
Fuel is taxed but the fuel prices regulated by government to ensure not all the tax fails on us.
There is a fee for test that starts after 2 years and goes up to 20. From 20 it's every half year for same price...
Also you have to have at least a basic insurance that means nothing for the car, it covers only injuries only for human...

The part I didn't got, that how it's possible to forgot that your test or insurance run out? The companies that doing car testing an insurance has great interest to remember you that you have to pay!

I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is (V).

OriginalGriff5-Dec-13 3:38

OriginalGriff

5-Dec-13 3:38

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
There is no road tax except only one road so far...

Ah! Yes, there are a couple of roads and bridges where you have to pay extra to use them here as well - forgot those!

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
Fuel is taxed but the fuel prices regulated by government to ensure not all the tax fails on us.

Same thing here, except the price isn't regulated, to ensure that as much tax as possible lands on our heads.

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
how it's possible to forgot that your test or insurance run out

The insurance companies send you a reminder about two weeks before it expires and will automatically renew it if you don;t respond (normally at a much higher rate than last year).
The company doing the testing can't send you a reminder because they don't have anything to ID you except the car registration number, and there is no (legal) way to get your name or address from that alone.
The government doesn't send you a reminder (despite having all the information it needs) because that way it can fine you (more tax!) if you forget.

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter5-Dec-13 3:50

5-Dec-13 3:50

OriginalGriff wrote:
because that way it can fine you (more tax!) if you forget

And they are still the government? Nice behaviour for sure...

I always tell people around me that every day they have to remember that we don't came to this word to keep the government keep up, but on the opposite, we have to choose the government that helps us keep up...

I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is (V).

jschell5-Dec-13 8:53

jschell

5-Dec-13 8:53

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
Fuel is taxed but the fuel prices regulated by government to ensure not all the tax fails on us.

Presumably you mean that the tax is not passed on to the consumer directly as part of the purchase price of the fuel in the first place.

But presumably someone else does in fact pay the rest of the tax.

So how do you figure that that doesn't impact you indirectly?

Simon_Whale5-Dec-13 4:02

Simon_Whale

5-Dec-13 4:02

OriginalGriff wrote:
Insurance, which also attracts an insurance premium tax (and I think, VAT on both of them)

No it is just IPT that is applied to an insurance policy.

OriginalGriff wrote:
The police and insurance companies work off the electronic version

From where I work as we are writing a motor product, I have just found out that insurance companies have a legal requirement to share your policy information with a central database which is used by the police to verify your policy also vehicle claims information is shared between all insurance companies too via a non profit organisation called CUE[^].

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Mark Parity5-Dec-13 2:40

Mark Parity

5-Dec-13 2:40

Yes and as it says in the link, if your neighbour has five untaxed cars on the road, or you see him/her drive off in a car with an expired tax disc there is no way of knowing, so you can't report them.

Rob Philpott5-Dec-13 2:53

Rob Philpott

5-Dec-13 2:53

Would you report a neighbour for not having road tax?

Regards,
Rob Philpott.

Pete O'Hanlon5-Dec-13 2:57

5-Dec-13 2:57

You did see that his/her username is Anon didn't you? Reporting without fear of reprisals. Wink | ;)

Rob Philpott5-Dec-13 3:02

Rob Philpott

5-Dec-13 3:02

Probably wouldn't be so anonymous if he lived next door!

Regards,
Rob Philpott.

Nagy Vilmos5-Dec-13 2:54

Nagy Vilmos

5-Dec-13 2:54

Do you even need a tax disc for a sheep drawn trap?

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Pete O'Hanlon5-Dec-13 2:57

5-Dec-13 2:57

Nagy Vilmos wrote:
Do you even need a tax disc for a sheep ~~drawn~~ trap?

FTFY.

Richard MacCutchan5-Dec-13 2:58

Richard MacCutchan

5-Dec-13 2:58

The UK has never had a Road Tax.

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Pete O'Hanlon5-Dec-13 3:07

5-Dec-13 3:07

Nor does it have a car tax. It does, however, have Vehicle Excise Duty.

Simon_Whale5-Dec-13 3:12

Simon_Whale

5-Dec-13 3:12

but they are commonly referred to as either "road tax" or "car tax"

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Pete O'Hanlon5-Dec-13 3:16

5-Dec-13 3:16

They could be commonly referred to as Fred and Ginger, the terms have no legal meaning. Vehicle Excise Duty, on the other hand, does. Road tax has an implication that the funds are channeled into the maintenance of the roads (they aren't), and car tax has been abused to try and frighten cyclists - and the excise applies to more than just cars.

Richard MacCutchan5-Dec-13 3:22

Richard MacCutchan

5-Dec-13 3:22

Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
and car tax has been abused to try and frighten cyclists

Rather the incorrect term "Road Tax", has been used for that purpose, whereby motorists claim a greater right to use the roads because they pay and cyclists don't. I once had a motorist tell me he was entitled to go anywhere he liked because of his "Road Tax" disc.

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