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A number of years ago I developed a technique that has proved exceedingly effective for dealing with aggressive telephone/mall marketers.
I simply and calmly ask them "Do you advertise?" The response is a unanimous "yes!" I then ask "Do you have phones at your business?" Invariably, after rolling their eyes at me, they again respond yes.
Then I ask, "What on earth makes you think I wouldn't contact your company if I had any interest whatsoever in the products/services you have?" I don't remember ever receiving an answer to that question.
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I'll have to remember that one!
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I recently posted a Quick Question, which I thought was plainly understandable. I received some comments to which I was tempted to write a somewhat biting reply, but then I thought I'd better hold my tongue and check...
Is there something about my question (see below) that doesn't make sense? Can you take it in some different context I'm not seeing? Are my comments on the comments reasonable?
VS2010 Resource Editor Tab Names[^]
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Yeah, he seems to spend a lot of time telling people he didn't understand their question...
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I'm still struggling to understand half his answers
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He is the guy who told the most people that he didn't understood their question
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There is someone - no names - who accuses people of "cheating" in QA - not sure what that means, hadn't realised it was a competition. However, have spotted tonight that several of their solutions have been edited a couple of times ... add a letter here, remove some bold there and such ... guess that's a good way to up your points in the game ... if it was a game. Which it is not. etc etc
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Seemed understandable to me - don't know the answer, but the question makes sense - so I countered the down vote.
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger.
English doesn't borrow from other languages.
English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
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Thank you. I'm at a bit of a loss as to what he thinks I'm asking about...seems he thinks I want to display the resource IDs in my app in some way. I think.
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Quote: seems he thinks I want to display the resource IDs in my app in some way. I agree. If I understand you, you want to change the tab names within Visual Studio, not within your app. It is not entirely clear.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I am in the US. Sometimes I have posted a question and there were no replies until morning.
Those replies that I receive from people who are awake while I sleep are historically condescending and snarky.
It's all good though.
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With all due respect to him, I don't know why he doesn't understand that question!
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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No it's not your question, I've posted a couple of questions and either got smart ass remarks or nothing at all pertaining to the question, people just wanting the points so posting some BS. On rare occasions when OG or similar sees it I get an intelligent response.
But I'm not real good at expressing myself so it's easier for me to spend the 8 hours, or however long it takes sifting through junk until I find the answer then to ask it here.
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Unfortunately some people with a lot of knowledge and a lot of time on their hands, are also complete wankers.
You just met one.
Unfortunately, on occasion, they can actually answer a question with a useful answer.
MVVM # - I did it My Way
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Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011
.\\axxx
(That's an 'M')
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That's a 1 from me.
You're perfectly entitled to your opinion. One that, in this case, I have agreed with on more than one occasion about said individual. However, to engage in conduct that includes name-calling fits my understanding of abusive. I've no hard feelings towards you, but have an intense dislike of a down-vote that comes without an explanation. You may consider this reply as being that explanation.
I welcome any discussion on my short-sightedness in the matter.
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Jeeze, what a wanker.
Is that abuse, or satire?
Unfortunately, you don't get to decide. What I'm thinking, how I'm thinking, or what my intentions are are my business, not yours. You have no right to -- and are not qualified to -- make decisions on that.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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It's a one-liner that has no context.
No, I don't get to decide what was your intention. But I do have the right to an opinion, a right that is no smaller or larger than anyone else's.
"Elephant-off idiot" is another prime example of something that could be said, where context is vitally important. To some relationships, its entirely appropriate and may actually be used as a greeting. In other contexts, it's a vile and hurtful one-liner. Context is king.
As you've so aptly put it - I'm not qualified to define the intentions of your words. Why don't you tell me, was "Jeeze, what a wanker" satire or abuse?
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enhzflep wrote: But I do have the right to an opinion, a right that is no smaller or larger than anyone else's. Indeed, and if one's opinion of someone is derogatory and he airs that opinion, he is taking part in a discussion.
If however, one's opinion of someone is derogatory and he takes official action against that person, e.g. by reporting the other's opinion as being abusive, he is not taking part in a discussion, he is acting like a wanker.
To disagree with someone's opinion, all that is necessary is to state "I disagree", particularly in a discussion that is taking place in a forum that exists for discussion.
That someone's opinions/way of talking/thoughts/religion/skin colour/whatever do not conform to your ideals does not give you the right to take formal action against that person.
The CP Lounge would hardly profit from being populated either with people with identical beliefs, tastes, etc, or with people who are afraid to express themselves freely for fear of being reported by the thought police.
The number on the Lounge's door is not 101.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Thanks for your response Mark.
You've made a number of interesting points. Some I concur with, some I don't.
I particularly note that you've used very different languague in your second sentence, than that which was used originally. You're likely more conversant with the concept of similes and metaphors than I. Similar, but not the same. I note that you've said that if somebody acts in a particular way, that they're acting like a wanker. This is rather different than saying that somebody _is_ a wanker. It was in fact, precisely this lack of distinction that garnered my initial response in the first place.
Clearly, you read my initial post. A post in which I said that I shared the same opinion on more than one occasion. I also pointed out that I was of the opinion that explicit name-calling fitted the definition of abusive. I did nothing other than play-the-ball, I certainly never played-the-man... (I addressed the behaviour, but said nothing negative of the individual (_Maxxx_) displaying it.) I quite clearly stated in fact, that there were no hard feelings. It was the post I objected to, not the poster.
Indeed, I invited discussion regarding my opinion and subsequent action. We've been doing just that. Each of us did more than simply say "I disagree". I took a further action, as I am entitled to. As you yourself have said, you're entitled to disagree with my opinion and subsequent flagging of the post in question.
I don't recall reading any document on code-project that says I'm not permitted to flag a comment I believe to be abusive as being abusive. Though I understand that your comment regarding formal action could be directed at either SA or myself. If the case is that it was directed at SA, disregard this paragraph if you're inclined. I've watched SA flag comments in a manner that would fit your assertion of conduct that one has no right to several times.
Got that in one! It's precisely the diversity in beliefs, values, behaviour and culture that helps make both the lounge and the world in general, interesting to inhabit.
If I was afraid of people expressing their opinions of my behaviour, I certainly wouldn't have taken a public stand. It was in fact out of respect for _Maxxx_, that I did this - it was not, I repeat NOT in the hope of having an extended discussion on the matter. However, having invited discussion, I felt obliged to respond to any/all posts in return.
I'm not advocating for a second that we hold identical inner-states. Nor do most, if not all countries. There is however, an expectation in society that each of us will conform to the same set of rules, regulations and laws. F1 drivers aren't allowed to drive any faster than the speed limit on public roads, in spite of the obvious and demonstrated ability to drive very fast safely - they're bound to the same constraints as the remainder of us. It was my understanding of a transgression against the rules of CP that got my response.
Not sure what the 101 comment is intended to say.
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You know, you never did bother to answer my question regarding how you would define the phrase "Jeez, what a wanker". I think that's unfortunate, a missed opportunity for each of us - but I don't think that action implies anything about you. Notice the difference in addressing the behaviour, rather than the individual?
Again, saying someone 'acts like a wanker' is a rather different proposition to saying someone 'is a wanker'. The second constitutes name-calling, an accepted form of verbal abuse. Being written, rather than vocalized doesn't make a difference to me in this context. The menu says "Abusive" and that's what I hit.
Again, thanks for sharing your thoughts and for the discussion.
Good day.
modified 13-Nov-13 6:41am.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Unfortunately, you don't get to decide. What I'm thinking, how I'm thinking, or what my intentions are are my business, not yours. You have no right to -- and are not qualified to -- make decisions on that.
Based on that no post can be declared abusive.
There is no social interaction with other humans where you know what the person really meant. All you can do is evaluate it based upon your own experience and what you observed. And in this forum that based almost exclusively on what people post.
A real argument might be made as to whether this is "abuse". I have seen posts at other sites which consisted of nothing but curse words. I would probably mark that as abusive. I have never seen one of those here as such I have never used the abuse button that I recall.
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Seems to me that the meanness level has gone up on many developer forums, including here (Stackoverflow and even the Qt forums being two others in particular.) Your experience seems typical--why not just answer the damn question? Or not.
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Some people in the QQ section aren't really nice and sometimes I wonder why they try to answer or comment at all.
Don't take it personal, I think most of us had a similar problem.
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