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It certainly does take time, it can be alien after windows.
I don't really use windows at home anymore. Linux is faster, safer, cheaper and I like it.
Trouble is it makes me very impatient and dissatisfied with windows at work.
15 minute boot time? And they charge money for that? Forget about it.
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You must be using windows XP, my desktop here at work takes 5 seconds to boot, and my notebook at home takes 15 seconds.
I did had a machine at work that took that long, but it was a 4gb ram, dual core WinXP (later Win7, but that only increased boot time).
About being safer, the first thing that my OS professor thaught us was how to break unix passwords.
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You mean running John The Ripper on conveniently 'obtained' files? With huge, custom wordlists, of course, as you're a professional. And this is after you've penetrated the root directory via the router, through both firewalls?
I ran a simple English word through a cracker for two weeks and it wasn't cracked, even though I had access to the files.
And while we're at it, how do you boot into a windows drive if the OS breaks?
Answers on a 2GB stick please. 
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No, i mean loading the shell and editing passwords on hand. I was surprised that trick actually worked on the servers of my previous employee.
And i boot on the windows drive using nothing more than the built in tools, that are alread on the drive.
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Editing by hand? I'm assuming there was no encryption? I've never heard of this. As for windows tools, that's great as long as you don't mind losing 15-20G on restore partitions.
I've used both.
I prefer Linux.
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The passwd system file isn't encripted, only the password field. Does not take that much more effort to create a dummy user and copy it's password over the root, at least not on the debian distro we were using.
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Sentenryu wrote: Does not take that much more effort to create a dummy user and copy it's
password over the root, at least not on the debian distro we were using.
Creating a new account? Editing the (shadow) password file? Well, yeah, when you're root, its trivial to get root 
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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The trick was based on appending /init=sh on the bootloader config, or something like that, i don't remember (alread more than a year since i did it last time), i don't remember how to get elevation once in the shell
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probably "init=single" -- boot system into single user mode with a shell running as root. That's why they repeatedly say, if the bad guy has physical access to the machine, its not secure 
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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it was "init=/bin/sh", but I think it basically does the same thing.
and yeah, with physical access, there's no stoping the bad guy.
there was also some other bad thing he showed us that could be done using ssh, but i don't remember anymore, first thing i did after being aproved was to forget all that was mentioned in class.
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Which is why mount is supposed to be restricted to root users. If that works as a mere mortal user, then it means someone lobotomized the existing security mechanisms. Hard to fault the OS for a configuration flaw... although you could lambaste those who created such an insecure distro
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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That boot time is the result of
0) Whatever bloatware your company uses for A/V
1) Updating system policies
2) Updating your shares
3) Loading corporate spy-ware that keeps track of what you're doing on your machine
4) Unneeded drivers to configure parts of your system that you're not using (and never will use)
5) Whatever other startup stuff is configured on your system.
When I reboot at work, it takes about four minutes to finish booting. At home, it's about 20 seconds.
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Yes. This is all true. But it's still Windows. I just spent the whole morning re-installing VS2010 twice. It's possible to break Linux programmes too, but you don't have to pay for them, and you could rebuild the entire system from the ground up four or five times while waiting for windows to do it's thing. 
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I never had to reinstall VS. You may want to look at your extensions.
Also, "you don't have to pay for them" is no argument. On todays world, there's Free/Open Source/Freemium software for all systems. Just to mention some for developers: Apache, Mono Develop, Sharp Develop, Code::Blocks, LinqPad, Fiddler, etc.
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Mono is deliberately targeted at Linux as an open source version of .NET.
Probably doesn't have any NSA back doors in the encryption routines either, although I couldn't swear to that; Windows and Linux .net mesh very well, getting agreement with Java encryption is a trick.
As for 'you don't have to pay for them', that's a great argument for open source Linux, which is where all those came from. Talk about dropping context.
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Where a project starts isn't all that relevant, they all have versions on both platforms and they cost the same on both platforms, that's what i meant.
The culture of open source is indeed stronger on the linux world, that i must agree.
Also, NSA has backdoors on the encription algorithm, so every implementation has those backdoors. And getting an agreement between Java and .NET on anything is a pain 
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Simon O'Riordan from UK wrote: I just spent the whole morning re-installing VS2010 twice.
And how long does it take to install that on Linux?
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Simon O'Riordan from UK wrote: and you could rebuild the entire system from the ground up four or five times
while waiting for windows to do it's thing
You must work on some really, really different systems then.
Spent many years on windows and unix variants and performance problems in the OS were always a result of the environment that I set up.
If I changed the environment then it worked better. True for unix. True for windows.
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Simon O'Riordan from UK wrote: 15 minute boot time?
Only way I can imagine that happening is if you have basically everything on the box in the system tray. Which means they all start up every time you reboot.
Or alternatively there is something seriously messed up with your hardware.
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"Next, teach your "senior recruiters" a little something about US geography. For the record, Houston and Dallas are NOWHERE NEAR San Antonio. Neither location qualifies as a "longish commute" (and yes, I had some idiot call it that today)."
The Circuit of the Americas is nearer, if I lived there I know where I would be this weekend. Are you a fan?
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I don't follow any professional racing series anymore, and generally, open-wheel stuff holds no interest for me.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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John, you and me both. AFAIK all I want them to do is put me in contact with the jobs I want, not the other way around. Examples include an 'easy commute' to the other side of London, around 3 hours each way, or salaries equating to what I was earning 20 years ago.
speramus in juniperus
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I understand your pain. Like you I have been working in the field for an extended time, 20+ years. I have on my resume that I do not want to relocate, but constantly get recruiters contacting me about opportunities "up north." At the beginning of my career I lived in one of those northern states whose name begins with "New", and have since escaped to the mountains of eastern Tennessee via Atlanta. I guess that since I worked up north at one time, recruiters think I would be eager to return to snow-blower country, places like Boston, Philly, NJ, or NYC. I found that no matter how much I would indicate I was not interested nothing seemed to deter recruiters from repeatedly wasting my time and theirs. I finally got smart and started speaking their language, $$$$. Now when contacted by a recruiter about a position in an area I am not interested in I simply state "To get me even remotely interested in going to so-and-so the rate will have to be something God-aweful, like $100,000/hr. Now if you have something closer to my area I can come down significantly." I just love the shocked silence that ensues. I have yet to have a recruiter contact me a second time.
Cheers,
Tim W.
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You're the God of exageration. I alread asked for $100/hr for the comute, but $100,000? that's just mean.
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