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Wow. Awesome idea. Besides, as night shifts are usually paid higher this doesn't even have to cost the company a lot more.
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Switch to the financial industry. They've done the "outsource to India" thing, had it bite them in the ass and are doing a lot less of it. The market for programmers in the financial industry in the US is pretty rich across all platforms. Everything from webby phone app development to massive grid systems.
There really is a quality difference.
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Do you work for the fed or a large public company? In my experience, smaller companies (esp. privately held and early stage ones) actively seek good, experienced local devs. This seems to be the situation in the Boston area and in the Valley. I'm not sure of the type of software companies in the part of Texas you reside in, but hopefully you can find alternative employment at a smaller company, if it comes to that. Good luck!
/ravi
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Sorry to hear that John.
I'm afraid it's only going to get worse when the Affordable Care Act kicks in.
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Mike Hankey wrote: I'm afraid it's only going to get worse when the Affordable Care Act
kicks in.
Nonsense.
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We'll all find out in the next couple of years won't we?
I've been wrong in the past but all I can say is I'm glad I'm not a young person just starting out in life and instead a retired old man.
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My sympathies. I am also finding that right now: also considering moving away from IT as it is getting harder to find good jobs that either aren't outsourced or where they have brought in cheap labor from abroad. I went to one place and I would have been the only non-Asian developer in the company. Wonder why that went nowhere? It's stupid: we're exporting an important skill base to the third world and then reimporting to price out a pool of talent that will shrink and then prices will shoot up.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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I bet if you stated that you'd be willing to work for off-shore wages with no health insurance you'd be able to keep your job without any problems.
The truth is they'll try their little experiment, it will most likely fail and they'll be hiring in the US again in a few years. In the mean time I would imagine you wouldn't find any trouble getting another job at a place that is concerned about more than this years bottom line.
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We write the code that accountants use and it's time to fight back.
#1: Add some code to your accountant's computer that automatically downloads child porn and then reports the computer to the FBI.
#2: Intercept all accountant email and edit where appropriate.
I think it's time we start putting those mother &#$@! out on the street.
Knowledge is power - and we control the knowledge.
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Sometimes I get contacted about jobs like: Hiring senior architect, 4 mths contract and then in the job description something like: communicating with offshore teams and conducting code reviews
I always respond with: "What do you think the salary for this should look like?"
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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Here it goes up and down. Companies start of with outsourcing to (undefined) offshore countries. After a while, they step back, because mostly these offshore companies end up being "not cheaper".
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V. wrote: After a while, they step back, because mostly these offshore companies end up
being "not cheaper".
Given that successful off shoring requires very stringent process control and the ability to communicate business requirements and/or technical requirements in detail I would suspect that that lack, which almost every company fails at already, would be the cause of the failures.
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Partially yes 
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I'm considering a change in career path because American companies don't want to
spend the money for American programmers.
American companies don't want to spend money on anything. Probably why they do so well compared to the rest of the world, because of course the point of a company is to make money not spend it.
Despite that of course they do in fact spend money.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: They'd rather hire off-shore personnel because they don't have to pay for health
care, or unemployment taxes, or any other number of back-flips they're forced to
perform by US government.
That isn't true. It is just media alarmist nonsense. Most companies don't outsource. Many that do have problems with it. A few do and some even succeed. And with all things even in that there is a wide variance in that some companies out source part of the work.
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Well, I have a Nokia 720. I am pretty happy with the device, but today happened something strange: it completely blocked, no keys, nothing wanted to respond. Only thing (after google search) a hard reset..
The main problem with the Nokia Lumia familly is that you cannot unload the battery. Hard reset goes with "sound button down and switch off button down together for about 5 to 10 seconds"..
The signature is in building process.. Please wait...
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...fixed that title for you. My Android does that occasionally. And I've seen a couple of my friend's iPhones and Androids do it.
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Doesn't sound that complicated like the process for an iPhone to reset. There were 2-3 different "reset" or boot modes where you had to press various buttons for a varying duration at various times of the boot process.
Don't know if that has changed since then but I'd guess not.
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Home Button + Lock Key it is for iPhones now.
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I study computer programming in a government scholarship for 2 years
All we study in that scholarship is all computer programming, just a little basic in some computer, database, networking etc.
I'm going to enroll next school year as a freshmen. There are 3 course that I want ComEng, IT, ICT
I think Computer Engineer is the most difficult, so I'm thinking the what is better between that two
ICT or IT
What???
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Computer Engineering is the one you want to do, it will be the most interesting/in depth course. IT will be a lot of PC system administration and a bit of programming probably, IT will be dull as hell and along the lines of "This is how you type in Word".
I've done all 3 so I have experience.
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My degree was called Information Technology when I did it. It was a mixture of programming (including assembly), electrical engineering, communication theory, other stuff.
Surely what a course is called is irrelevant, it is what the content is that matters and different places will use different names for the same content or the same name with different content.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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Mine was called "Computer Science" (well, it started off as "Maths and Computer Science" but I discovered that I hated the Maths side after all and failed all the maths exams at teh end of year one)
That dates me!
(Get it in before someone else does: "Well, it's not as if anyone else would")
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger.
English doesn't borrow from other languages.
English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
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We did a few maths components too.
The one in the first year was supposed to be an introduction to the maths techniques needed and was an open book exam.
Anyone not getting 100% should have been slapped round the head with the book, cos it was clearly no use to them for any other purpose.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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ChrisElston wrote: ...should have been slapped round the head with the book, cos it was clearly no use to them for any other purpose.
I never have understood the belief that shaking the outer container around would get the neurons inside to move better when there has never been empirical evidence that ever happens. The only thing that is evident is the satisfaction gotten by the one doing the shaking.
Seems to me if the sharp end of a pickaxe could be applied without consequence instead, that would be more satisfying. So, that is what I imagine doing. Voila, temporary satisfaction imagining a better world, without consequence.
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