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RyanDev wrote: We can debate semantics all day long.
Cool - I'm fed up with the work I'/m doing right now.
RyanDev wrote: the most commonly accepted definition, including the one in the originally posted article, has negative connotations.
And what particular line of research has led you to believe that that particular definition is the most widely accepted? The fact that in a survey of one person (yourself) that's how you take it?
RyanDev wrote: And, there is nothing negative about offering your seat to a pregnant woman, or to any woman for that matter.
Forget the pregnancy - if someone has a greater need for a seat is is obviously a good thing to offer yours.
But, offering your seat to a person because they are female is sexism in action. There is no semantic debate here, that is a fact; it is discrimination based upon sex, and only upon sex. If, given the exact same circumstance but a man rather than a woman is standing, and you do not perform the same action, then you are being sexist. That is not debatable.
If you feel that offering your seat to a woman is a good thing, then that is fine - it's how you have been brought up and something you have been taught. You mean no offence by it and, often, the woman in question will take no offence by it, realising it is offered as a polite gesture.
Some khaki-wearing militant feminist might knee you in the garfunkles for acting so, other women might just politely refuse, or even accept - nonetheless you have performed a sexist act, because there is no reason why a woman needs a seat more than a man.
The act of offering your seat to a lady will, I am sure, go the way of always ensuring the lady walks on the man's left (so he can grab his sword to defend her honour) or nearest the road (so he can protect her from splashes).
In the meantime, continue to offer your seat to women, but admit that it is a sexist act; and may you never cross a militant feminist on the train.
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Quote: That is not debatable.
 Yes it is, in fact that's what we have been doing. You are taking a definition that is not widely used to support your side. So, you are technically correct by that definition alone. However, I am taking the more commonly used definition AND the definition used in the article I posted and therefore it is not sexist.
Quote: because there is no reason why a woman needs a seat more than a man.
And there it is. The difference between you and me.
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Because I respect them. Yes, I also respect men but I treat men differently because they are different. Gender is crucial and you want to eliminate it.
Are you claiming you don't do anything different for women than you do men? You don't open doors for them, even your wife? You don't compliment your wife to make her feel good?
Man up and stop fussing.
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Quote: Why does a woman need to have a seat more than a man?
I did answer.
Quote: But that is not "because she is a woman". I also open the doors for complete strangers and ones that are of either gender.
As do I.
Quote: You seem to think you can only hold a door for a woman and compliment a woman.
Clearly this topic is above you then.
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Quote: This implies you have no respect for men
No. It is the only answer your neutralized brain can understand.
I respect both men and women and respect their differences. It's not hard to understand. You want to neutralize gender. I recognize it as being critical to who we are. There's the difference.
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Quote: And what is the difference that makes a woman need a seat more than a man?
Who says they need one? As already pointed out, does your wife NEED you to buy her flowers? Does she NEED you to open the door for her? No, you do it because it's polite.
Yes, I open the door for men too. You are so extreme. Just because I say I would give up my seat to a woman you jump to the other end of the spectrum and claim that I wouldn't do the same for a man. You are nothing but loud arrogant claims, which are NEVER even right. I wouldn't waste my time with you if it weren't so fun to see how far off you can get. Each time you amaze me at how narrow minded you are.
Quote: If you say it is because of respect, that implies more respect for one over the other.
No, it means different respect, which I ALREADY ANSWERED. You just love to fight. It's so fun.
Stop being a wussy and man up.
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Quote: So what do you do? Tell the responders to man up
You're the only one who I said that to. No one else was being a cry baby sissy.
You criticized me for picking a specific definition to support my argument. OF COURSE I DID. IT WAS THE SAME DEFINITION USED IN THE ARTICLE IN QUESTION. CONTEXT. CONTEXT. CONTEXT.
You troll around looking for posts where you can take it out of context and run the opposite direction. Some day when we meet I feel I will be able to understand why you do it. Until then, you are my comic relief.
Quote: OK so explain this "different" respect.
You wouldn't understand. You think genders are equal in every way.
Quote: which implies you think women are "wussy".
You definitely have to donate your brain to science. The things you take out of what I say are insane.
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While it is true that sexism is normally negative, the treating of someone differently because of their sex, is discrimination, by definition.
From your link, indeed "attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles." not negative attitudes, just attitudes.
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Quote: From your link, indeed "attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles." not negative attitudes, just attitudes.
The definitions go together. They are not separate. They are negative attitudes.
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The two definitions are numbered, you may notice, this doesn't mean you need to add them together, it means they are discrete definitions.
If sexism is "prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex." (note the OR not AND)
and discrimination is "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex:"
and by opening jars for women and not men you are doing so because of some perceived (if not by you personally, then by those who, in earlier times, deemed opening a jar for a woman to be polite) weakness then you are stereotyping women at the least and, it could be argued, discriminating based purely on their sex.
Would you open a jar for this lady[^] for example?
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Quote: Would you open a jar for this lady[^] for example?
No way. I would run the other way.
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_Maxxx_ wrote: it plainly is sexist to offer a female a seat just because of her sex
what if shes good looking and you're hoping for her number?
bryce
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bryce wrote: what if shes good looking and you're hoping for her number?
then offer her a seat on your lap.
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Of course you offer her the seat.
Can't look down her shirt unless she's below your eye level.
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on more than one occasion I have offered my seat on the train to pregnant ladies.
Only to find out they were not (as I incorrectly assessed) pregnant.
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Better take the safe route then. Don't want to be labeled an insensitive sexist.
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bryce wrote: Only to find out they were not (as I incorrectly assessed) pregnant.
Must have been a long train ride 
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At least it is a bit different from when you hear they saying:
"Don't treat me different in this and that case because I am an equal".
and 5 minutes later
"Treat me like this and that differently from man because I'm a lady".
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Ya, that is annoying. I don't think most women fall into that category individually but when you see the opinions of women on the whole, this is true.
However, I will continue to be a man no matter what their opinion is.
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Okay, I'll bite again.
So if it's polite to offer a girl a seat, is it impolite not to?
If it's the case that you consider it impolite, do you still consider it rude or impolite when a woman doesn't offer you her seat?
If (you consider it rude for a woman to not offer you her seat != true)
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it would appear to be because you're sexist - you believe in a double-standard based on sex.
I don't have a problem with that, it's a socially accepted norm. Just don't call a spade a fork.
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