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Global warming is a great way to illustrate the challenge here. Globally we have little to no policy to address the issue. Why? I suggest that it is precisely because of open and uneducated denial, if not downright misinformation by big oil.
I come down firmly on the side of man-made global warming and the resultant cliamte change. I also come down firmly on the side that syas that it's already too late and that we need to be putting policy in place not so much as to slow or reverse it, but to deal with the fallout. Last month's Conservation Magazine had a good article on exactly this.
I think that poor debate becomes a ready excuse for inaction, so it is better to have the debate in better fora than web comment sections.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: Thoughts/comments?
The article itself certainly suggests elitism at work. It suggests that they are doing this as a service to protect how the readers might form an opinion. Which of course is patronizing. And it certainly seems to implicitly suggest that it is the average reader that is prone to this.
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Elitism? How kindly would you take comment about how to program from a road mender. Probably as well as the road mender would take your comments on mending roads.
Clearly the publishers did not take this decision lightly and nowhere did I see a hint of elitism. The brightest of us are open to suggestion and when we are not specialists in a subject and rants will tned to polarize us. This isn't healthy.
Removing the conduit for trolling is a price I think worth paying in this instance.
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PhilLenoir wrote: How kindly would you take comment about how to program from a road mender.
Nonsense analogy.
First the comments are not about periods and syntax but rather about the content of the articles. That the correct analogy would be if I wrote a program and someone then commented on the user interface.
Second the POINT of Popular Science is to bring science to the masses. It in NOT intended to bring science to other scientists. So now your analogy should be that I wrote a program specifically intended to help a "road mender" mend the road or at least learn better ways to do that and that person then wanted to comment on what I was telling them and I said no.
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Not so.
The point of the anology is that different people have different sets of expertise. that's not elitist, it's common sense. Allowing anybody without the qualifying knowledge to freely comment cannot add anything. The source of the knowledge in this case would be experts in that field; even if they are mistaken experts (for every expert there's an equal and opposite expert!) Those with limited or no understanding in that field are unlikely to offer meaningful contribution. This is made more obvious in your observation that this journal is supplying information to non-experts. The argument that not facilitating comment is elitist does not hold water.
To refine the anology: would having the road mender review your code add anything or allowing you to inspect a road patch? I think not. It doesn't mean that you or she is in an elite, only that you are not qualified so to do.
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PhilLenoir wrote: Allowing anybody without the qualifying knowledge to freely comment cannot add
anything...
Which, again, ignores the point of this magazine.
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See my last post. I don't believe that allowing public comment IS the point of the magazine. I suggest that the point is to disseminate science news to interested laymen. Let's be clear, I HATE the idea of stifling debate, but when it does more harm than good...
We all suffer because of trolling or worse, deliberate misinformation and propaganda. There are plenty of fora for debate, like the two of us here. I'm prepared to lose the right to comment in Popular Science if it helps clarity.
I've been an environmentalist for all my adult life and I'm close to retirement. I consider myself a scientist at heart and one of biggest disappointments in life is to see inaction on climate change. I believe that much of the inaction is due to the surgical strikes of lobbyists versus the genuine desire for truth (at the expense of a clear message) of the scientists involved.
Thanks for engaging in the debate!
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PhilLenoir wrote: I don't believe that allowing public comment IS the point of the magazine
That would be fair point if it wasn't historically allowed. But it was allowed both before the internet and with it.
PhilLenoir wrote: We all suffer because of trolling or worse, deliberate misinformation and
propaganda.
Yes the problem with free speech is that everyone gets to comment. There is no restriction on the veracity of comments, relevancy or anything else.
PhilLenoir wrote: I'm prepared to lose the right to comment in Popular Science if it helps
clarity.
That statement however, in terms of the Popular Science stance, is why it suggests elitism. It suggests that the editors understand "clarity" and the audience doesn't. They are suggesting that the audience cannot make an informed decision on their own.
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I shut off Popular Science after it started spending three quarters of every issue bombarding me with Warmist claptrap.
I wanted new tech.
I got the Green Moonies.
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A good illustration of why the comments have been shut off. Get real: Global warming has happened and is happening and we're past the tipping point where methyl hydrates are being released from arctic ice. It's called Popular Science, not Popular Technology and it would obviously be a waste of time to read it if you don't want to be exposed to general science issues.
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A good illustration of why moonbat fanatics want to shut everybody off."If there is no evidence, and we can't 'get real', shut everybody up at the point of a gun." 
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I can't work out if you are a troll or just very disrespectful. I get that you don't care, but lack of evidence? People who treat this as if it's a matter of belief really are behaving like ostriches. Global temperatures HAVE gone up rapidly in the past century. Sea levels Have gone up. CO2 IS a greenhouse gas (BTW, just in case you really don't know this stuff, the greenhouse effect is real and it keeps us alive). Methane IS locked up by arctic ice and methane is a more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2. True that we don't KNOW exactly how much, but it is a lot. How many more facts do you need. Scientists can use models to predict the effects of increased CO2. The models are inaccurate and there is disagreement about the numbers but to deny the facts? The processes are mind numbingly complex, including CO2 and thermal buffering by the oceans and any one missed fact throws models out.
Look, just admit you don't care. I sort of respect that, especially as there is nothing to be done about climate change, other than mitigate and engineer protections. You may even be an alright person that cares about something other than yourself. Disrespecting those of us that do care about the environment is just loutish.
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You're wrong about me. I'm not an alright person at all. All I care about is myself.
Which means I don't appreciate being constantly solicited by 'maybe' people whose scientific abilities don't include proof of concept or the ability to refrain from fraud, intimidation and coercion.
Incidentally all the models failed to predict the cooling of the past 15 years. Sincerity is not a substitute for competence.
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Now we have it. When logical debate fails, throw insults.
For anyone who actually wants facts:
NASA[^]. NASA are clearly frauds 
Wikipedia[^]. A wikipedia article showing that the 5 year average temperature has risen consitently, with a blip in 2005. There was a reduction in solar output which slowed temperature rise, but we are now back to normal solar output. Sites that deny these facts use very specific data (not global, full year data) and typically obfuscate their lack of candour.
I guess that the rise in sea level has been caused by "unusually heavy rains" and New York's budget provisions for dealing with sea inundations are more proof of lack of competence.
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"Now we have it. When logical debate fails, throw insults."
Or slurs eh?
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PhilLenoir wrote: Get real: Global warming has happened and is happening
But given the previous comment and that it an accepted fact then why does every issue devote 3/4 of the space to articles about that? (Not saying it does but that is what the post that you responded to said.) Surely there is a lot of science out there to report on?
PhilLenoir wrote: It's called Popular Science, not Popular Technology and
To be fair when I read it commonly many years ago there were more technology articles in than would be justified by a complete survey of all of 'Science'.
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Quote: why does every issue devote 3/4 of the space to articles about that
To be honest, I think that there's some exaggeration there! I do think that the large number of articles on the subject is due to a number of factors that include contoversy, the complexity and the huge implications. I work for an environmental and land resource, watershed based, agency which has major roles in planning, flood prevention and summer flow augmentation. Climate change occupies much of our attention. In our watershed we've seen one-in-a-hundred-year events become more like one-in-ten-year. There are huge implications for property loss and human lives are at risk. This tends to mean big money and, ultimately, science does tend to follow the $!
Quote: many years ago there were more technology articles
I agree. If we look back on our careers, a lot of new technology used to rely on new science. We see a lot of new technology now comes out of process refinements. Even the space race, that drove a lot of innovation, has slowed. Sure, we have quantum computing and carbon tube research, but these aren't hitting the production lines yet. Even 3D printing is based on old inkjet printing techniques. I assume that when we have our next spurt of new technology based on new science, we'll see that reflected in Popular Science.
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My first through was "hurrah for Pop Sci."
In my experience, many laypeople have no clue about things scientific, but do have a strong opinion, often about some misconception they possess.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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I am V'Ger! I am V'Ger! I am V'Ger! I a m V ' G e r ...
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Suddenly IE started crashing, and after a little bit of debugging I find that it's F-Secure that's bringing the browser down.
It didn't even help to remove the plugins from IE, it still causes IE to crash ... 
Anybody else having fun with IE & F-Secure?
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Nope.
But then, IE is only there for decoration: I wouldn't actually try to use it!
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger.
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I didn't even have Chrome installed on this computer - and I couldn't use IE to download it. Browser Choice to the rescue - not something I ever expected to happen ...
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My installation order: OS, Firewall, AV, Chrome.
IE is miles down the list...
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger.
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I only brought two computers with me on this trip - both of them set up for 'development', left one at the office. The browser started crashing after booting it up here at the hotel.
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So...you checked into the hotel, and "started browsing" then IE crashed. Hmmm - suspicious: just what were you browsing? On second thoughts, I don't want to know... 
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