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Eddy Vluggen wrote: filling out a form, and using the mouse to navigate controls. TAB, TAB, TAB!!
This works right up until some stupid, lazy, know nothing developer forgets to set the tab order on the page!. I hate lazy buggers who don't do the minimum required of them.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I couldn't agree more. You hit the nail right on the head!
Saludos,
Martin.
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Message Removed
modified 19-Mar-13 11:15am.
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If I tried to use a touch screen for my desk computer, my arm would get really tired pretty quickly. Guess it is good exercise. For kiosks and touchpads they work great. Not that a touchpad when using touch is probably mostly flat on the desk/table top, or in a lap.
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This silly touch interface will never work, but the tongue interface will, as we evolve into beings with no other tactile device available to us. Legs are bound to atrophy through lack of use, and hands will evolve into pointy stumps suitable only for texting and spearing Twinkies for gobbling. The tongue-activated interface will also open up possibilities for developers, since we'll have the ability to include flavor and scent as attributes of project themes. The pr0n industry, as usual, will probably spearhead the transition into this new technology, but others will follow forthwith.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Of the tongue-activated interface, a nice jolt from a 9-volt will be part of Version 1.0, of which developers can use to clue the clueless user of their unclued chosen answer.
Hence, the new product will be called:
CLUE ~ Computer Lickin' User Experience
Marketing slogan: Get a CLUE!
When shipped with every PC, the user can not longer say:
"I have no stinkin' CLUE how to use this..."
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Somehow your description made me think on the film WALL-E  
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpfull answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Can you say, "Woah! Minority Report comes to life!"
I've no relation to Leap.com, but their product, LeapMotion, is WAY better than any touchscreen will ever be.
THAT, my friends, ("THAT" being LeapMotion), *IS* the future, and that future will be here on 5/11/13 when they ship the thing!!
As a developer for LeapMotion, I've started my project:
CHASE = Computer-Human Adaptive Syndactic Ecphasis
Gonna be AWESOME!!!
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BCantor wrote: I've no relation to Leap.com
That may be true; but all the styling you did to make this post look different than a standard message had me reaching for the flag button before I started reading it due to a reflexive "looks like an HTML paste where one doesn't make sense, probably spam" reaction.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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In Refutation: 
1) Of LeapMotion, only a "standard product" gets a "standard message"; 
2) No links to the product were included in the message, leaving that to the astute reader to dig up ~ a reasonable element the post is not spam; 
3) Of the 'reflexive "looks like ... probably spam" reaction' ~ the big lettering did what it was purposed for, then: to get the reader's attention 
{now if they would just make it easy to use color! [vs. hand-coded html]};
>and, finally<
4) small letters strain my aging eyes. ![Java | [Coffee]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/coffee.gif)
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BCantor wrote: small letters strain my aging eyes
So it's your problem not ours. Use Glasses and Zoom (CTRL + mouse wheel is anti-pinch doesn't work) to make them comfortable for you, rather than inflicting your visual deterioration on us!
(I have my own visual deterioration to deal with, thank you very much. Three pairs of glasses now...  )
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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#4 in my prior post was a continuation of the overall parody statement(s) presented, as such the common reader (here on CodeProject) would reasonably conclude given the various emoticons used throughout.
I'm with exceeding personal dismay of the personal attack made upon my person and/or character due to my physical visual impairment.
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Oi! Watch who you is callin' common!
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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"Common" as in those who *commonly* (more likely than not) review posts on forums like this.
I'm quite confident many "common" (CodeProject) reader's beloved and wonderful grandmas won't be "commonly" reviewing forum posts here on CodeProject.
But, hey, if Gramma wants to, by all means I'll let her dig in, all the while help explain the difference between refactoring and null pointer errors or whatever!
"Now, Grandma, remember the Model-T? Well, it didn't have turn signals to indicate which way the car would soon point (turn). Then a crash happens cuz the other Model-T didn't know what the first Model-T was gonna do. That's a null pointer error, a collision because one part of code didn't know where the other part of code was going.
And, refactoring is a way of making things better. Kind of like adding turn signals to those Model-T's.
No, Grandma, object inheritance has nothing to do with my getting your cute bunny statue collection as noted in your will."
"
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By the time I have my hands on the keyboard and Mouse I do have any appendages handy to touch the screen with. I do actually use foot pedals (originally for Flight Simulator but I am looking into using them as general purpose input devices).
- Life in the fast lane is only fun if you live in a country with no speed limits.
- Of all the things I have lost, it is my mind that I miss the most.
- I vaguely remember having a good memory...
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I'm curious how you're integrating them into normal desktop use.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Simple! Left pedal does a scroll left, Right pedal does a scroll right - just like flying an aeroplane.
- Life in the fast lane is only fun if you live in a country with no speed limits.
- Of all the things I have lost, it is my mind that I miss the most.
- I vaguely remember having a good memory...
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They are just input devices. We don't need to be forced to only use some of them.
The appropriate device shall be used to input.
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Well, I think there must be made differences. For "normal" uses touchscreen will get more popular, but for special purposes they won't replace (but possibly extend) the interfaces we use yet.
In image processing, programming, text writing I can't think of a touchscreen. I don't want to use a touchscreen, when I'm typing (I hate every operation that is not simple accessable via keyboard).
So, yes, for clicky-clacky-operations and users touchscreen are a good idea, for some works I don't want have to use a touchscreen.
------------------------------
Author of Primary ROleplaying SysTem
How do I take my coffee? Black as midnight on a moonless night.
War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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It's really hard to write C# using only a touch screen - even worse when I am working on my book.
- Life in the fast lane is only fun if you live in a country with no speed limits.
- Of all the things I have lost, it is my mind that I miss the most.
- I vaguely remember having a good memory...
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I used to navigate around DOS apps using keyboard shortcuts quite fast. Then along came the GUI and the extra options slowed me down. Having to constantly switch between mouse and keyboard just got on my nerves.
Now that there's also touch, I'm resisting the change based on that experience.
If the activity doesn't require lots of keyboard/accurate positioning there's no problem. Otherwise the user experience is less than ideal. Microsoft made a huge mistake not giving end user any option of a traditional desktop, that and the lack of user guidance/Help & Support really was a dumb move considering that some of us don't remain online 100% of the time.
Being a long-time Apple user, I also got irritated by the lack of keyboard navigation. No mouse = unusable.
I'm not a consumer in the way Microsoft & Apple would like me to be. They've not catered for traditional IT admins, producers of content. They've lost the plot and in so doing have lost a huge userbase of consistent buyers of IT goods and services. (broke the CRM)
"It's true that hard work never killed anyone. But I figure, why take the chance." - Ronald Reagan
That's what machines are for.
Got a problem?
Sleep on it.
modified 18-Mar-13 6:52am.
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dusty_dex wrote: Microsoft made a huge mistake not giving end user any option of a traditional desktop
I don't know what Windows 8 you are using, but I use the "traditional" desktop all the time... 
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Well I know it can be added with a 3rd party fix.
Why the heck should we be fighting the OS? It (Metro) should get out of the way.
I'm in control, it's my f**ing machine! 
"It's true that hard work never killed anyone. But I figure, why take the chance." - Ronald Reagan
That's what machines are for.
Got a problem?
Sleep on it.
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dusty_dex wrote: Well I know it can be added with a 3rd party fix.
No 3rd party fix necessary. Simply click "Desktop"...
dusty_dex wrote: I'm in control, it's my f**ing machine!
You should probably just write your own operating system.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Wot! a full Desktop? including start menu?
I haven't seen that version of Win8. All I got was an empty taskbar with yellow/blue folder-type icon.
Either way I'm no rush to buy it. As that would just be an endorsement (via increased sales figures) that they got things right with Metro.
Server 2012 is more usable than Win8.
"It's true that hard work never killed anyone. But I figure, why take the chance." - Ronald Reagan
That's what machines are for.
Got a problem?
Sleep on it.
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