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In addition to that, the link to "William L. Bain" found in the by-line has no redirection.
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IE8 ... v. 8.0.7601.17514
IE8 v. etc wasn't broken until I tried this link.
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Any ad blockers or add-ins enabled?
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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FYI, works for me (IE 8.0.6001.18702, WinXP SP3).
/ravi
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This crash is not a problem. Why I can't even recall this morning what search term I was using to cause the hapablap yesterday.
So; but in answer to the question: ALL (no scream-down intended) add-ons disabled, pop-up blocker off, upon restart IE8 and click-on result of CP search on "William L. Bain" (single item), results in new message -> red-roundel-slash on the "gear" of manage add-ons icon in status but with an added message "this page requesting an add-on"(sp).
Find that enabling javascript add-on makes this message retire. But the crash still occurs.
Oh, and the link you provided for "William L. Bain" and his reputation does in fact work w/o crash.
My installation of VS2010 can be fired up in response to JIT debug on the modal fail and it'll load symbols and give me a break/continue in an error of "access violation".
Thanks though.
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That's frustrating and I wish I knew the answer, but my guess is you have something on your system that's causing IE to get scared and confused.
Sorry 
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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When an object is deleted e.g. a draft article etc. and you have posted a message there, you get the Post Undo in the rep history and the post rep points removed.....
1) However, you don't get told which object the relationship is with. Now you obviously can't put a link to the object now, because it has been deleted, but can you at least put the former title with out a link, to give us an idea what has gone.......
2) Now, on the rep points, why should they be deleted, you have made the contribution to the site, which may have ultimately resulted in for example the author removing the item or whatever, but you are then being penalised for your effort. The points should remain.
I could understand your points being with withdrawn if it was your own object and it was reported by others etc. but not those providing the feedback.
Cheers,
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I'm going to look into this and see if there's any technical barrier to doing this.
Originally it was done so that if a member posted a zillion crap articles just to boost their score, then removing the articles removed their ill-gotten* gains. It also allows a member who has had their article savaged to remove the article and restore their dignity, as well as allowing them to disassociate themselves from a joint article if the article is poor and they no longer support it.
You have a perfectly valid point though: if you are doing unto others then you should keep the points, regardless of whether the other keeps his.
* That's the only time you'll see me use that word.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: * That's the only time you'll see me use that word.
Do you want to put money on that? 
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See this for the third page of a search I was trying in this forum. It showed 3 pages of results, but when I clicked on the "3", I got "Your search did not match any documents". Pages 1 and 2 showed results fine.
Martin Fowler wrote: Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand.
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When I do a search for those terms only a single page comes up. Manually adding a page number will get it confused since you're going past the bounds it understands.
Technically the error message is correct. There are no results for those keywords <i>outside the set of actual results in the index</i>.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
<small>Microsoft C++ MVP</small>
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I didn't modify the query string. I clicked the "3". FYI, my "page size" is set to 10 (I just noticed in the top right of the page that this can be changed).
Note that it seems new posts have been made, so the third page now appears to work fine.
Martin Fowler wrote: Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand.
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I was only getting 1 page of results when doing the search - it may have been that an index update was occurring when I was checking.
I wonder if it was an off-by-one error... I'll need to add this to The List
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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An inquierer in the Q&A posted this code
<iframe runat="server" name="framecontent2" id="framecontent2" width="100%" url="http://bobj.test.bnymellon.net" height="485" scrolling="auto" style="border:0px;background-color:#ffffff;"></iframe>
var prevent_bust = 0
window.onbeforeunload = function() { prevent_bust++ }
setInterval(function() {
if (prevent_bust > 0) {
prevent_bust -= 2
window.top.location = 'myobjects.aspx'
}
}, 1)
Below is the code block notice the javascript has been cut of at if (prevent_bust >
<pre lang="javascript"><iframe runat="server" name="framecontent2" id="framecontent2" width="100%" url="http://bobj.test.bnymellon.net" height="485" scrolling="auto" style="border:0px;background-color:#ffffff;"></iframe>
var prevent_bust = 0
window.onbeforeunload = function() { prevent_bust++ }
setInterval(function() {
if (prevent_bust > 0) {
prevent_bust -= 2
window.top.location = 'myobjects.aspx'
// replace your iframe with link to it
}
}, 1)</pre>
I realize that specifying javascript as the code block language might be incorrect, nevertheless the javascript should not be cut like that.
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Any chance of posting a link to the question?
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
<small>Microsoft C++ MVP</small>
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Setting it as "HTML" and including the script directive gives you:
<iframe runat="server" name="framecontent2" id="framecontent2" width="100%" url="http://bobj.test.bnymellon.net" height="485" scrolling="auto" style="border:0px;background-color:#ffffff;"></iframe>
<script language="javascript">
var prevent_bust = 0
window.onbeforeunload = function() { prevent_bust++ }
setInterval(function() {
if (prevent_bust > 0) {
prevent_bust -= 2
window.top.location = 'myobjects.aspx'
}
}, 1)
</script>
but yes, I can see the weird cutoff issue if you don't specify HTML as the language and don't have the <script language="javascript"> bloxk set.
I'll add it to the bug list.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: I'll add it to the bug list.
Ah, the fabled Sisyphus list.
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This is not a rant, or a complaint !
One thing I notice is the degree (in both forums like C#, and the various Q/A forums), to which questions are asked, posed, and intelligent comments are made, in response, or comments are made, asking for clarification, or asking for a code example.
And then, those responses/comments are often totally ignored.
I also notice frequently, that in spite of requests by commentators that the OP use tags, and identify, at a minimum, which .NET technology they are using, those are often ignored.
A hypothesis I pretty strongly embrace at this point in time is that the QA forums have become something of a homework dumping ground.
I find myself wondering if there could/should be some kind of entry-processing for Q/A questions (let's leave forums like C# and Windows Forms out of this for now), where the user at least had to select a certain minimum set of tags in order even to have their question posted.
Similarly, posts to the Q/A forums that involves a large dump of code (also, I notice, questions that the OP ends up ignoring comments) ... could/should such large code dumps be prevented ?
Let me phrase this rhetorically: would it contribute to the overall value of the Q/A forums to have some kind of screening process for admission of questions so that very vague questions, "gimme" questions, or large code-dumps followed by 'fixme,' etc. simply don't get posted ?
Another rhetorical: if a Q/A question has comments requesting clarification, and the OP does not respond within some period of time (a week ? a month ?) do they "deserve" to remain "alive" ?
Another way I could say this would be to ask: what is the responsibility of the asker of the question to CP ... when comments and responses are forthcoming. Is response, or vote, "owed" ?
And, that's enough of the rhetorical for now
best, Bill
p.s. my applause to folks like JSOP, Abhisek, Simon, Prerak, SAK, Mehdi, Mika, OriginalGriff, and others who really work hard editing, clarifying, and answering so many questions with great patience as well as technical expertise !
"Is it a fact - or have I dreamt it - that, by means of electricity, the world of matter has become a great nerve, vibrating thousands of miles in a breathless point of time? Rather, the round globe is a vast head, a brain, instinct with intelligence!" - Nathanial Hawthorne, House of the Seven Gables
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BillWoodruff wrote: QA forums have become something of a homework dumping ground.
It seems that way to me as well sometimes.
BillWoodruff wrote: where the user at least had to select a certain minimum set of tags in order even to have their question posted.
I disagree with this because not every question needs a lot of tags. Most of the time one tag is sufficient.
I think that some of the comments go ignored because the OP can't read English very well.
Just along for the ride.
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
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My feeling on this is we could certainly introduce sets of rules that get refined over time that force users to conform to a certain, potentially narrow, band of use, but that any set of rules will always have valid exceptions that become more and more difficult to accomodate.
So why not simply use the absolute best judge of questions - the members themselves.
We have a simple reporting system that allows members to report (and ultimately close) questions that are inappropriate. We also have given higher rep member the ability to edit questions that have merit but fall into the bucket of inappropriate, whether through language deficiencies or forgetfulness.
Further, if we're a dumping ground for homework, does that diminish the value of the forums? Do we try and play at being Headmaster or do we recognise that someone, somewhere, probably has the same or similar problem to that posed as homework so the answer will benefit them, and that further, anyone who hands in an assignment that has the same answer as 20 of their classmates is best dealt with by their school, not by us.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
<small>Microsoft C++ MVP</small>
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Hi Chris,
My comments are not intended to suggest any "draconian" system be put in place that would "force users to conform to a certain, potentially narrow band of use."
However, I do clearly understand there's a natural "inertia" to thinking of imposing any type of structure: because it opens up the question of "how far do you go before you get to 'Big Brother,' and '1984'." And, who wants to "play cop" ?
It's an interesting response to me that the idea of asking questioners to reasonably identify what their questions ask evokes imagery of "headmasters" in you, and, evidently, the thought of putting CP in danger of becoming "in loco parentis/academia" ... that's an image alien to my own experience.
And, I (speaking as a re-cycled leftist-activist hippie from the 1960's) share, I believe, with you, a strong preference for less rules and structure.
In my opinion if CP's Q/A forums are a dumping ground for homework, and a repository of half-asked questions, yes, that does diminish the value of the Forums. Why:
1. better questions, and better answers, are submerged in a pile of lousy questions: as they are now.
2. half-asked questions that get good answers, but where the answers, and or comments, do not get replies, or votes ... drift away on the way the tides to become flotsam and jetsam on the beaches of obscurity.
3. valuable members' time is wasted trying to figure out whether the OP is using WPF or WinForms, or whatever. that some members may be addicted to earning points by constant editing of vague questions is another issue: and one for which I cannot even begin to imagine a remedy
Are "members the best judge:" I'd broaden that to say the CP community, as a whole, to whom this humble flea dares address this message, is the "best judge," and members, like this well-trodden blade-of-grass, are naturally reluctant to ask for messages to be removed unless they exhibit extreme violations of the CP "ethos," are spam, are hateful, etc.
If I felt that what was happening now in the Q/A forums was leading to an accretion of a valuable repository of knowledge that would serve future questioners, and members well ... I would not be writing this message.
'Tis often a "sad fact" that people value less what is given in a way that no energy is required to obtain it: and I think that dynamic is at play in the Q/A forums now.
To re-iterate: my commentary addresses the issue of: should there be some simple means of asking the person posing the question to, at a minimum:
1. clearly identify, within .NET, what technologies are being used: i.e., WPF vs. WinForms, or WebForms, or ASP.NET, or whatever.
I do not believe asking the OP to take one step beyond entering the "C#" tag in any way would discriminate against folks whose 'home language' is not English, and I think, having spent thirteen years of my adult life living in Asia, and having both worked with, and been in the role of teacher to, folks from non-English speaking countries, I believe I am very sensitive to issues of those folks.
2. respond in a timely way to questions from members who go to the trouble of asking the OP to clarify what they are talking about.
While this may seem "draconian:" I personally think messages that do not respond to requests for clarification in a timely way should be placed in some other forum so that those OP's taking the trouble to indicate they value the feedback they are getting are shown the esteem they deserve.
3. some mechanism to clean-out the accreting garbage.
4. consideration of the issue of how to index, and maintain, the best of the Q/A forums, so their content is "first-out."
Of course I do not view CP as "static:" in the last few months, alone, there has been a wonderful increase in features related to point #4 above, as well as many subtle and useful improvements to many aspects of the UI/UX.
And these comments are offered in a spirit of warm appreciation for CP.
best, Bill
"Is it a fact - or have I dreamt it - that, by means of electricity, the world of matter has become a great nerve, vibrating thousands of miles in a breathless point of time? Rather, the round globe is a vast head, a brain, instinct with intelligence!" - Nathanial Hawthorne, House of the Seven Gables
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I have not had any caffeine this morning so bare with me while I attempt to do your reply justice.
BillWoodruff wrote: 1. clearly identify, within .NET, what technologies are being used: i.e., WPF vs. WinForms, or WebForms, or ASP.NET, or whatever.
We have the tagging text box. Is there a direct, practical way in which we can ensure the correct tag or tags are specified? We can't say "You need X tags" because a question on the C++ syntax specifically requires a single tag.
BillWoodruff wrote: 2. respond in a timely way to questions from members who go to the trouble of asking the OP to clarify what they are talking about.
This is a very interesting idea. What about a surrogate value here: we order questions by the last date the OP touched the question (edited, responded etc)
BillWoodruff wrote: 3. some mechanism to clean-out the accreting garbage.
I really do want the members to close unanawerables
BillWoodruff wrote: 4. consideration of the issue of how to index, and maintain, the best of the Q/A forums, so their content is "first-out."
If we had more voting activity then that would be easier. I know that simplifying the voting would help in this regard.
Thanks for the comments and suggestions Bill. We are a small team but we constantly question what we do and constantly wish we had more hours in the day.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Homework questions are acceptable as long as it's not a "GimmeCode" scenario, where there is not even a hint of the OP having tried to accomplish the task on his own.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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