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Ease of use kempust26-Jan-03 22:43 kempust 26-Jan-03 22:43  Ease of use has to be high on my list. Take for example VC6 'v' VS.NET. I have only been using VS.NET a short while but what a waste. The new IDE is slow (another story), over complicated (Dialog Hell) and a lot harder to use that VC6 ever was. When will MS stop bloating their software and put a bit more time into helping the people who actually use their software 8 hours a day, every day. Features like Intellisense (it's better at least in VS.Net) Auto completion, not just class/method names (something I miss a lot from Netbeans/Forte (Java, I know)) Case correction And other small editor enhancements make it so much easier to use. Tim Re: Ease of use Anders Molin27-Jan-03 14:54 Anders Molin 27-Jan-03 14:54  kempust wrote: The new IDE is slow (another story), over complicated (Dialog Hell) and a lot harder to use that VC6 ever was. I love the new IDE, it's great when you get used to it. kempust wrote: Case correction Ohhh no, not in C/C++, that thing only works in VB Fix the case in hwnd, should it be HWND or hWnd, I often use both :P - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" Re: Ease of use Anna-Jayne Metcalfe31-Jan-03 5:27 Anna-Jayne Metcalfe 31-Jan-03 5:27  I don't agree - it's grown on me rather quickly. It is less stable (not surprising for such a radical change) and does require more screen real estate than previously - but then so did VC 4.0. Ever use VC 1.52? The one thing I do miss is WndTabs[^]...VS.NET's tabbed interface is nowhere near as good. As an add-in author I can also tell you that the VS.NET extensibility model is a huge improvement on that in VS6. Anna www.annasplace.me.uk "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++ Re: Ease of use Goran Mitrovic31-Jan-03 12:05 Goran Mitrovic 31-Jan-03 12:05  Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: he one thing I do miss is WndTabs[^]...VS.NET's tabbed interface is nowhere near as good. Maybe you'd like to check an add-in at www.smarthelp.net. One of its features allows you to have your tabs rendered similarly to WndTabs's in VS6. As an add-in author I can also tell you that the VS.NET extensibility model is a huge improvement on that in VS6. It's incredibly buggy and undocumented. - Goran. Re: Ease of use Anna-Jayne Metcalfe31-Jan-03 12:21 Anna-Jayne Metcalfe 31-Jan-03 12:21  Goran Mitrovic wrote: Maybe you'd like to check an add-in at www.smarthelp.net. One of its features allows you to have your tabs rendered similarly to WndTabs's in VS6. I've tried SmartHelp, but I just didn't get on with it I'm afraid...it just didn't give the flexibility I was used to in the registered version of WndTabs. My personal favourite is right clicking on a grouped tab and closing all the others except that one, closely followed by "Make Read-Write/Make Read-Only") Goran Mitrovic wrote: It's incredibly buggy and undocumented. Sadly, that's normal for the COM interface on Microsoft products. VS6 and SourceSafe are no different in that regard. Anna www.annasplace.me.uk "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++ Speed and stability indicative Paul Watson26-Jan-03 19:46 Paul Watson 26-Jan-03 19:46  Speed and stability is the number one choice, I think mainly because of the lack of speed and stability in VS.NET. Funny how priorities are re-ordered when problems occur. Good poll btw Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Roger Wright wrote: Using a feather is kinky; using the whole chicken is perverted! Re: Speed and stability indicative Chris Maunder27-Jan-03 3:21 Chris Maunder 27-Jan-03 3:21  Paul Watson wrote: lack of speed and stability in VS.NET FWIW I've been using VS.NET 2003 beta 2 and I can't remember the last time it crashed. Speed is also a non-issue (admittedly I've got a 1.8GHz/512MB machine) cheers, Chris Maunder Re: Speed and stability indicative Paul Watson27-Jan-03 3:25 Paul Watson 27-Jan-03 3:25  Chris Maunder wrote: FWIW I've been using VS.NET 2003 beta 2 and I can't remember the last time it crashed. That is wonderful to hear. I have barely managed to get my team onto VS.NET 1, so 2003 is going to have to wait a bit. Chris Maunder wrote: Speed is also a non-issue (admittedly I've got a 1.8GHz/512MB machine) Thing is, other apps are fine on my machine, but VS.NET is a touch slow. Some of the other apps have a much better reason (graphic apps) for being slow, something VS.NET does not. Still, the problems are nothing to write home about. Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Roger Wright wrote: Using a feather is kinky; using the whole chicken is perverted! Re: Speed and stability indicative Sijin27-Jan-03 3:34 Sijin 27-Jan-03 3:34  Paul Watson wrote: lack of speed and stability in VS.NET. Funny i've been using VS.Net for the last year or so and it hasn't crashed on me unless i overload my system too much. I am surprised that people feel VS6 was more better. May the Source be with you Sonork ID 100.9997 sijinjoseph Re: Speed and stability indicative Navin27-Jan-03 3:41 Navin 27-Jan-03 3:41  VS.NET rarely crashes on me, but when compiling I often get "internal compiler error" problems, and have to rebuild everything for them to go away. Here's to hoping that VS 2003 is better in that regard... You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose. Re: Speed and stability indicative Oz Solomon27-Jan-03 3:58 Oz Solomon 27-Jan-03 3:58  Sijin wrote: Funny i've been using VS.Net for the last year or so and it hasn't crashed on me unless i overload my system too much. I don't know what you mean by "overload your system", but the IDE should never crash, overload or otherwise. I'm sorry to say that if the IDE only crashes on me once a day, I count my blessings. 5-10 times a day is more realistic... Sijin wrote: I am surprised that people feel VS6 was more better. Sometimes simpler is better. But really, it's a matter of taste. So far as the VS7 IDE goes - if I have a chance, I stick with the VC6 IDE. Maybe VS2003 will be somewhat better, though from what I saw in Beta 2, it's not that big of an improvement. -Oz --- Grab WndTabs from http://www.wndtabs.com to make your VC++ experience that much more comfortable... Re: Speed and stability indicative Shog927-Jan-03 12:12 Shog9 27-Jan-03 12:12  Paul Watson wrote: I think mainly because of the lack of speed and stability in VS.NET. To be honest, i'd pick those above all else even though i still use VS6 much more heavily than VS.NET. I have ugly memories of running VS6 on a 64MB 500MHz PC not too long ago... Crashes were just occasional enough to piss me off without making it unusable, while the speed... ugh... when moving the cursor from one function to another hangs the IDE for better than 5secs, it gets hugely frustrating in a hurry. --- Shog9 The siren sings a lonely song - of all the wants and hungers The lust of love a brute desire - the ledge of life goes under Not the 1st one Sarvesvara (BVKS) Dasa26-Jan-03 18:18 Sarvesvara (BVKS) Dasa 26-Jan-03 18:18  I thought my vote may b the first vote for this survey. But before me submitting the answer... someone has submitted the voting..... I was born intelligent Education ruined me!. Speed and easy use jasonpkuphy27-Jan-03 3:23 jasonpkuphy 27-Jan-03 3:23  ; jason

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