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Re: Data on one server, structure on another

_Zorro_22-Jul-11 4:50

_Zorro_

22-Jul-11 4:50

djj55 wrote:
If you try running a stored procedure that stores to the c:\ drive, see where
the file ends up.

Are you talking about Sql Server, or Windows Server? Checking the location of a file stored from a stored procedure makes me believe you are talking about the second one.

If you have an Sql Server that has two databases, db1 and db2, and you create a Stored Procedure only on db2, trying to run that stored procedure from db1 won't work.

Check the details of EXEC sp_who you'll see that the dbname is specified.

We too are referencing the schema, and we still use dbo too by the way.

I think that the only way would be prefixing all our table/views/etc. calls with the database name, the name should be a parameter (if we're running tests then the data should be retrieved from the test database, otherwise it should get the data from the context's database). If we use a parameter, then, that would mean converting all our procedures to dynamic sql. Considering that we almost have 3000 stored procedures, this is not an option, as said before.

I was wondering if Sql Server supported some sort of parameter, indicating that it should read the data from another database, while executing a procedure from another (without having to edit the stored procedures, this is a key factor).

Re: Data on one server, structure on another

Corporal Agarn22-Jul-11 5:03

Corporal Agarn

22-Jul-11 5:03

What I was talking about with the c: drive was if you bcp data (export) it saves to the server you are running on.

You could try and use an alias for your database but I have only created those while studying. (Not to be confused with table alias in query).

If that does not work I do not know of a way to change where the sp looks. This rings a bell but I cannot remember.

Re: Data on one server, structure on another

_Zorro_22-Jul-11 5:17

_Zorro_

22-Jul-11 5:17

djj55 wrote:
This rings a bell but I cannot remember.

Ok, thanks for your time! Smile | :)

Re: Data on one server, structure on another

smcnulty200022-Jul-11 20:58

smcnulty2000

22-Jul-11 20:58

Try CREATE SYNONYM.

I think that's your best bet.

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Re: Data on one server, structure on another

_Zorro_25-Jul-11 2:37

_Zorro_

25-Jul-11 2:37

That's not bad, but still, requires me to update all my stored procedures... not cool! Sigh | :sigh:

Re: Data on one server, structure on another

smcnulty200025-Jul-11 7:33

smcnulty2000

25-Jul-11 7:33

I'm not clear as to why.

If the synonym is on the test server and points to the code on the production server then any change to the prod server should immediately be available to the test server. You run the code on the test server but it is the code from production.

Or am I not seeing the problem?

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Re: Data on one server, structure on another

_Zorro_25-Jul-11 22:22

_Zorro_

25-Jul-11 22:22

Here's why:

CREATE SYNONYM [ schema_name_1. ] synonym_name FOR <object><br />
<br />
<object> :: =<br />
{<br />
    [ server_name.[ database_name ] . [ schema_name_2 ].| database_name . [ schema_name_2 ].| schema_name_2. ] object_name<br />
}<br />

USE tempdb;<br />
GO<br />
-- Create a synonym for the Product table in AdventureWorks2008R2.<br />
CREATE SYNONYM MyProduct<br />
FOR AdventureWorks2008R2.Production.Product;<br />
GO<br />
<br />
-- Query the Product table by using the synonym.<br />
USE tempdb;<br />
GO<br />
SELECT ProductID, Name <br />
FROM MyProduct<br />
WHERE ProductID < 5;<br />
GO<br />

Maybe I'm not seeing it, but how would you manage to use the same procedure and call different databases depending on who called the procedure?

Let's say we have db1 and db2 and we're doing:

SELECT A, B, C FROM dbo.Table

What I need is to call the data from db1 if the application made the call, but go read the data on db2 if the call was made by the build server (the unit/integration tests).

Re: Data on one server, structure on another

smcnulty200025-Jul-11 8:16

smcnulty2000

25-Jul-11 8:16

Nevermind.
I'm trying it on my servers and can't seem to see anything but views and tables through my linked server. So maybe the other way around would work.

I'm curious enough to continue researching this but let us know if you decide on a solution.

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Re: Data on one server, structure on another

_Zorro_25-Jul-11 22:24

_Zorro_

25-Jul-11 22:24

smcnulty2000 wrote:
I'm curious enough to continue researching this but let us know if you decide on
a solution.

I don't think there's one... but I will let you know if I find one, indeed.

Re: Data on one server, structure on another

Mycroft Holmes22-Jul-11 21:24

Mycroft Holmes

22-Jul-11 21:24

Still does not make sense to me. Why not take a copy of the procedures and run them on the test server. We use SQL Compare to do this except we do it the other way around. Develop on the dev server, test on UAT and deploy to Production, SQL Compare does the synching of the code in both steps.

When we require another environment we take a backup of production onto yet another server. Then the only change is the server name and we don't use that in the qualification in the code. I admit this may become complicated if you are using distributed databases but we use Oracle for any really big data (multi TB)

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Re: Data on one server, structure on another

smcnulty200022-Jul-11 21:32

smcnulty2000

22-Jul-11 21:32

Mycroft Holmes wrote:
but we use Oracle for any really big data (multi TB)

I'm jealous.
I've only gotten to big gig levels.

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Re: Data on one server, structure on another

Mycroft Holmes23-Jul-11 0:03

Mycroft Holmes

23-Jul-11 0:03

We recently sized an Oracle system at 6TB, we can identify 3tb as the initial data coming from part of the trading system.

Really big data is only useful if your structure is good and your data clean. Unfortunately our legacy systems were designed by incompetent, moronic, lazy, uneducated, idiots who only had a vague idea about the business and absolutely no idea about data structures.

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH

Re: Data on one server, structure on another

David Skelly24-Jul-11 22:36

David Skelly

24-Jul-11 22:36

Mycroft Holmes wrote:
our legacy systems were designed by incompetent, moronic, lazy, uneducated,
idiots who only had a vague idea about the business and absolutely no idea about
data structures

This is in fact the standard methodology for database development in 99% of companies worldwide.

Re: Data on one server, structure on another

_Zorro_25-Jul-11 2:45

_Zorro_

25-Jul-11 2:45

Mycroft Holmes wrote:
Still does not make sense to me. Why not take a copy of the procedures and run
them on the test server.

Because we're using continuous integration with tfs 2010, and want to launch the test sets while the build server is... building. If we have to copy our stored procedures to the test database then this will require a manual action each time a sp is updated, which I think, is a bad idea. Less humans around, less problems.

Apart from checking bugs, we'd also like to guarantee that the deploy succeed regardless of the environment (dev, tst, post test, production).

I know this seems a bit strange since we should only test on one of those, but we have numerous errors due to deployment issues (large amount of files to merge, a lot of manual actions) and we'd like to prevent that, or at least, be warned as soon as possible.

Thanks

Re: Data on one server, structure on another

Mycroft Holmes25-Jul-11 12:13

Mycroft Holmes

25-Jul-11 12:13

_Zorro_ wrote:
continuous integration with tfs 2010

Never have been able to get the hang of automated testing/deployment I guess I'm old school, I want a human driving the deployment.

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH

Re: Data on one server, structure on another

_Zorro_25-Jul-11 22:15

_Zorro_

25-Jul-11 22:15

It works fine for us, but we still have to do some stuff manually.

We start having huge problems when humans begin to interact. That's actually why we wanted to validate each deployment step, because there's always something wrong. A file not merged correctly, something forgotten on the database, etc. and it implies a big loss of time to go and repair everything... each time...

I suppose your humans are better than ours! Smile | :)

Re: Data on one server, structure on another

Mycroft Holmes25-Jul-11 22:43

Mycroft Holmes

25-Jul-11 22:43

_Zorro_ wrote:
I suppose your humans are better than ours

Ow, crap, I just had to pick myself up off the floor, possibly we have simpler deployments and I'll take it that we have a very good team of developers but the main systems deployment not a chance!

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RAH

Re: Data on one server, structure on another

_Zorro_26-Jul-11 1:53

_Zorro_

26-Jul-11 1:53

Mycroft Holmes wrote:
possibly we have simpler deployments

Heh

We have quite complex deployment issues right now indeed. We're maintaining a lot of branches for our customers. And it's not always as easy as it's supposed to be when the time has come to merge all the stuff together after a long period of time.