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Members don't need encouragement to downvote, especially malicious ones, and encouraging members to upvote is more valuable. Further, if someone wants to game the system then the pain caused by spurious upvotes is not as bas as that from spurious downvotes.
There will not be points for downvoting. We do reward reporting of items because the reporting system will display the names of those who reported the item should the item get closed. It's transparent to all (especially site admins since we keep track of all reports).
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: then the pain caused by spurious upvotes
I would say that's extremely unlikely to happen. Unless someone makes sock puppet accounts to vote their own posts up. That's one reason I suggested the weighted system there!
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I think the voting points shouldn't change. I like points to be somewhat proportional to the combination of effort spent plus value added.
Posting an answer in a programming forum takes some thinking and some doing, and gives you 10 Authority (plus the possibility of getting upvotes and bookmarks, and the risk of getting downvotes). Upvoting (and downvoting and bookmarking) the same message should result in only a fraction of such points to the person voting/bookmarking as it is easy, mostly invisible, and open for abuse.
FYI: bookmarking has been abused for a while now; I haven't reported it before, I just saw another one of my "you're welcome" messages (which I post when my reply gets upvoted and acknowledged with a "thank you" message) being bookmarked. That does not make any sense whatsoever.
Suggestion: there should be a lower limit to a post's length to make it eligible for up-voting and bookmarking. Say if there are less than 50 non-whitespace characters, just don't offer voting and bookmarking tools.
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum
Please use <PRE> tags for code snippets, they preserve indentation, improve readability, and make me actually look at the code.
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I will not do anything that threatens the art of the laconic reply. Some of the best posts are one liners.
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Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Have a 5, purely for the use of the word "laconic".
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You are right. That was a bad idea...
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum
Please use <PRE> tags for code snippets, they preserve indentation, improve readability, and make me actually look at the code.
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Oh, I just bookmarked your post...
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote: Unless someone makes sock puppet accounts
Nobody here would EVER do that...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010 ----- You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010 ----- "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Weighting voting points based on your current level is inconsistent and self-perpetuating.
Your goal is to rewards those who vote, so let me work on something that achieves that.
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Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: Weighting voting points based on your current level is inconsistent and
self-perpetuating.
Yes, others feel so too.
Chris Maunder wrote: Your goal is to rewards those who vote, so let me work on something that
achieves that.
Yes, that's correct. A suggestion would be to increase it from 1 point to at least 5 points.
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Yep, casting votes (and bookmarking) is good, unless it gets abused. And there is quite some bookmark abuse at the moment, see my recent reply to Nish in this thread.
Here is an idea:
- provide a small bonus to vote casting;
- however limit the bonus frequency to something that depends on another positive activity (such as posting messages).
Conceptual example:
upvoting is rewarded by 1 point (as is now), however if you post N messages today, then your first N votes today each will get an extra 2 points. That way, someone who is serious about it gets rewarded, the abusers aren't.
A specific proposal, pretty simple and probably easy to implement:
- take the delta of the total rep over the last year, and divide that number by some constant factor, I suggest 1000;
- now let that be the upper limit one can get as a simple-action-bonus, awarded when doing things that could be positive, such as voting up and bookmarking.
Example: assuming a member had total rep of 100K one year ago, and 150K today, then the daily bonus limit would be 50K/1000 = 50; therefore a maximum of 25 votes/bookmarks a day would get a 2-point bonus, for a potential total of 366*50=18K points per year on top of the yearly earned 50K, so that would be a potential 36% bonus.
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum
Please use <PRE> tags for code snippets, they preserve indentation, improve readability, and make me actually look at the code.
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I think this is a good idea Nish, but what the hell do I know?
My only concern is the potential for people to upvote just to get the points; just like some people post B.S. answers in the QA forums just to get the points.
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I guess this feature is no more there and thus the button needs to be removed. A small one and can be ignored/put in the to-do way below.
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The link to "How to ask a question" in the C++ forum is broken.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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Thanks - we'll get this sorted ASAP.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Looks fine to me.
The best things in life are not things.
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Click on the "link" link to the message. Is borked.
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Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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I must be blind or extremely stupid, but the only 'link' I can see is the second of the two fixed messages at the top of the forum.
[edit]Both! [/edit]
The best things in life are not things.
modified on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 11:46 AM
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just saying.
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I popped on it and it's screaming fast for me. Is there a specific page or forum that's being slow? Database seems happy too...
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Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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I am flying on it now myself. But there was a block of time this morning (approx. 10 mins) that it was taking longer than usual to load pages in the QA forum and the Lounge.
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Chris Maunder wrote: I popped on it
I COMPLETELY misread that!
Fixign now. | But who's fixing the fixign? |
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Well, I do that too, sometimes. When they are being particularly recalcitrant.
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Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Hi all
Is there a way to find out who deleted a solution at Q&A and why it was deleted?
regards
Michel
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It could have been anybody (that has the privileges), and it could have been due to the content (or lack thereof). Give us a link to the question in - err - question.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010 ----- You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010 ----- "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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