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Disagree (sorry  )
It's not because you vote it a 1 that you want it reported.
The message / answer / article / ... can be of little value but still within the boundaries of the site's rule's. Then one could vote down.
It would solve the issue of the uni-voters but I think it would just render the whole voting useless, so you might as well just ditch it and allow no voting for anyone.
I think the voting as we have it now isn't all that bad, it just needs some fine tuning.
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Of course, you could choose not to vote for the article. Effectively, it's a tri-state system; like it - give it a thumbs up; don't like it - don't vote; think it's offensive - report it.
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Ok, you beat me to it.
Like it or not, I think one of the important things for authors is the voting system. We all know how tough it can be when someone strikes with an unreasonable low vote. Most of the time the low-voting is an attempt to shift the rating of an article to what the user thinks it should be.
I rather like the idea of having just a 'Like' option and a 'Don't Like' option (with a comment). Likes and unlikes would be weighted according to user level, just like in the existing system. The challenge with any new voting system is to integrate with the existing data. Not easy. I think though, that if ever the system was going to be overhauled, this would be the way to go.
I think that no matter what restrictions are placed on a out-of-five voting system, it's all relative. If a message is required for less than a 4, then authors end up having higher ratings overall, due to the reluctance of users to comment. Therefore, the perception of what marks a good rating, increases. The more we constrain users, the more the ratings become skewed toward the top end.
This also means that older articles, that were written before the rules were introduced, have lower ratings.
I agree with Chris though. It's important for the site to allow new users to vote because often this is a prime motivator for joining. Maybe bronze level voting influence should be decreased.
Cheers,
Daniel
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Chris Maunder wrote: Instead of having a 1-5 voting, we have a simple +1. Nothing else. You give a thumbs-up or nothing.
I've always seconded this idea. 
A variation would be two buttons:
(1) Vote-Up button
(2) Mark as abuse button - this should not count as a 1-vote and should be used purely to get a post auto-removed.
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As you know, I was originally opposed to this idea - I seem to remember getting into a fairly heated debate with Hans over it, but now I like it.
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I'm still debating internally with myself. It's getting a little heated.
What I dislike about this is there's no way to push down the awful but not-quite-offensive stuff.
Although the other argument is: make it easier to vote (or "Like") and more people will do it. If you get close to a 100% voting rate on articles (ie everything has at least a vote) then it should be safe to assume the truly awful will have no votes, and the mildly awful low votes, and the creme de la creme a bucket load.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: Instead of having a 1-5 voting, we have a simple +1. Nothing else. You give a thumbs-up or nothing.
I think this is an awesome idea for the Lounge. IMHO, I think voting in the Lounge/BackRoom/Soapbox is absolutely pointless...it serves no purpose whatsoever other than pissing people off or filling their already inflated egos.
** Flame away **
modified on Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:40 AM
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This is essentially what we have in the programming forums (Good question / bad question).
It's an easy enough change to make...
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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How about this suggestion:
Leave the voting as it is but instead of coloring the subject gray / blue / red why not just put a small icon next to the subject (left or right) indicating the vote status (thumbs down / nothing / thumbs up)
Reason:
I think the main incentive there uni-voters have is the "satisfaction" of coloring the whole forum grey.
And the main annoyance the other people have is the coloring of the whole forum gray.
Like this the forum color stays consistent and we still can see if a post is downvoted or upvoted.
Don't know if it's any good but was just a thought I had on the way home 
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That defeats the purpose of the voting system. It's meant to be obvious as to which messages are good and which are to be ignored.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Well it would still be obvious just not that obvious, the small icon would indicate which are good and which are not.
But the overall look of the forum would remain the same, lowering the annoyance of the regulars who don't like to see all that gray
It is of course just a suggestion, and yours to do with what you want
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I know I should bunch these all into 1 message but this morning is a write off already so I've been diving into things to see what's been happening and I hate to say it, but your suggestions would have had zero impact on what happened overnight.
As is often the case, the person down-voting would have sailed through your rep checks easily and been unencumbered in their boredom.
I am thinking about the snake idea, though (see the-poster-formerly-known-as-Mario's idea)
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote:
As is often the case, the person down-voting would have sailed through your rep checks easily and been unencumbered in their boredom.
I can't say I'm overly surprised, although I am disappointed. I've seen enough inexplicable univotes only go to 2.3(?) after I countervoted that I knew at least some of the stupid was by long term users...
Chris Maunder wrote: I am thinking about the snake idea, though (see the-poster-formerly-known-as-Mario's idea)
who?
3x12=36
2x12=24
1x12=12
0x12=18
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Dan Neely wrote: I can't say I'm overly surprised, although I am disappointed.
Yeah same here. It's been obvious for a while now that most of the crazy-1-voting sprees have been by Gold or higher level members.
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Hmm. Burn the witch I say.
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Hm... since many are so concious about their CP reputation, would it help to show voting statistics on the members profile pages (e.g. average of given votes for total/year/week)? Call it karma indicator.
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I would also ask that Chris either has a word with the person responsible and reminds them of the terms and conditions of the site, or removes them outright - if they are an old troll coming back here, Chris can take the nuclear option and ban the IP address.
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I am 100% agree with Pete.
NMehta83
“We cannot fail until we fail to try”
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Why don't you reply to him and say you've never downvoted anyone?
I'd be happy to post the raw logs of your voting history if you wish.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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I noticed an error while reading through the Contest Entries and Requirements in the Terms and Conditions for the Windows Phone 7 Competition, I noticed that it states:
3. The articles must be an Android development tutorial or application template.
Cheers,
Daniel
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Whoops. Thank for the catch - all fixed
Thanks,
Sean Ewington
The Code Project
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Could this question be something to do with the rather excellent article the lovely Katka posted the other day? Damn, but she set the bar really high.
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Cheers Pete.
mmm unfortunately it was submitted before the comp was announced. But perhaps part 2 will make it in there.
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