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I am not sure why people are voting ( or is it rigged) for enterprise bus article which isnot used in many places or i will qualify by saying not used any where. Second Microsoft already has cleaner implementation for such kind of integration and publisher model softwares.
Cinch 8 can not be best article , must be cinch 1 could be.
Jeremy should win the clarity of his article and approach was really awesome.
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That's the problem with public forums people do strange things. You say that MSFT offer better message bus solutions, go on name them, WCF are you thinking, MSMQ binding, been there done that, quite a lot of effort to configure, and WCF as PubSub can do, but again quite tiresome to setup. I agree Jeremys article is ace, and should win over my Cinch article, but as far as you not liking the NServiceBus one, well I think it is still a very good article..Sorry
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I am not doubting your Nservice article quality , i am talking about the solution as pub / sub . The Nservice software has better options in Microsoft
Biztalk ( create adapters ,publisher , subscriber blah). Its succesfull , time tested and what do we want more.
NSrevice bus is not sucessfull and with lot of problem , go google you can get a better.
I am not doubting your presentation skills but some times we should ask ourself are these softwares worth to invest and experiment on real projects....Is n't customers hard earned money at stake.
Open source project are run by one man show , god hell if anything happens you are alone scratching your A**
Thanks
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Mr. FakePoll,
With respect to NServiceBus usage, there are currently over 900 members in the discussion group with many more who use it but aren't on the discussion group. A poll was also put up about how people are using NServiceBus with 137 respondents (so far) here[^]. 19% reported their projects being in production and stable for more than 3 months. Usage of NServiceBus spans almost all industries from government, finance, insurance, telcomm, retail, manufacturing, logistics, healthcare, media, as well as software as a service.
While I wouldn't say that there is greater adoption in terms of pure numbers than of BizTalk, sources at Microsoft have been mentioning the decreasing adoption of BizTalk as problematic. Many of my clients have reached the scalability limits of BizTalk, and after moving to NServiceBus, have seen much improved performance requiring far fewer machines. I've seen similar things with non-Microsoft options like Sonic MQ and Neuron.
On the "one man show" thing, there are currently 7 committers on NServiceBus and support is provided for free by the very active 900 members of the community. Training on NServiceBus is available worldwide currently by 2 certified trainers in addition to myself. Many other consulting companies are providing professional services to clients interested in using NServiceBus for their distributed systems.
While I agree that adoption of open-source technology needs to be done carefully, there are enough examples of Microsoft killing its own technologies leaving companies just as stuck (CAB, Linq2Sql, Sql Server Notification Services, etc). My recommendation is that companies evaluate NServiceBus alongside other choices and choose the technology that best fits their architecture and cost profile.
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First and foremost let me say that , by all respect udidahan7 and your team all your hard work appreciated. I am not even near to what you guys are doing for the community. So hats of to you. I have not seen any opensource for publish and suscribe.
Said and done ,its bit redundant and there is something already Microsoft has one. I have visited your site and seen on how Biztalk and Nservice can work side by side. But the adoption of Biztalk is vey high and these initatives because of big bull power of Microsoft goes down as time passes by.
regarding the money or license part , people would buy rather than end up on a opensouce which is not widely accepted. for instance .NET nuke and many other open sourcesare are widely accepted and less risky.
Must be its a start but 163 members is a very small amount for building confidence, with biztalk it can be 100 times the number. No harms meant at the end of the day when we put customers money at risk the acceptance and support of that technology is also important.
Some feedbacks
Make a paid version , will give some money to fight with the big bull on a longer run.
Documentation , you can see the feedback online about documentation for nservice. I was trying some sample and got stuck because of poor documentation.
Best of luck for your initative. Thanks.
Hey Sacha , i want you to win , but probably not for this. The 80% - 20% pareto adoption is essential for what ever we do. yeah i see Jeremy's article coming up  , no harms meant.
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Like I say I do not mind who wins comp at all, in fact I want the Cosmos one to take it, I just could not see why you were having a pop at the NServiceBus article, which I think is a good article.
Sacha Barber
- Microsoft Visual C# MVP 2008-2010
- Codeproject MVP 2008-2010
Your best friend is you.
I'm my best friend too. We share the same views, and hardly ever argue
My Blog : sachabarber.net
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Sacha Barber wrote: I just could not see why you were having a pop at the NServiceBus article, which I think is a good article.
Because it's a shill account, only created on 11th September. Fun and games eh?
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GRRRRR
Sacha Barber
- Microsoft Visual C# MVP 2008-2010
- Codeproject MVP 2008-2010
Your best friend is you.
I'm my best friend too. We share the same views, and hardly ever argue
My Blog : sachabarber.net
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I rather think that one of these articles has received upvoting from the same IP address using different accounts. After all, we've not seen that before have we :ironic shrug:
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A paid version is coming very soon.
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I have not used Biztalk so can't comment to much, while it does seem like it has a lot going for it, it looks like quite a big thing, which means a heavy framework, and a steep learning curve. Looks like using a sledgehammer to crack a nut.
Probably costs quite a lot to install a BizTalk server too.
Like I say I can not comment, but I can say I found NServiceBus very very easy to get to grips with, and setup.
I also think the fact that one of .NET community most shining stars AKA Ayende (RhinoMocks, NHibernate etc etc), modelled his RhinoServiceBus on NServiceBus must in someway validate the need for lighter bus messaging solutions, and also the fact he modelled his RhinoServiceBus on NServiceBus speaks volumes to me
Oh by the way I am pretty sure either Jeremys article or the Cosmos one will win in the end, fine by me, but that is not the point, I feel you have the wrong end of the stick, when you took a poke at the NServiceBus article, I can totally see the need for such technology/article, but its an open forum, so we are all entitled to our opinions.
But as far as the comp goes, whatever happens, happens man. No worries
PS: Just saw Udi (NServiceBus author) responded too, he seems to agree, of course he would though.
Sacha Barber
- Microsoft Visual C# MVP 2008-2010
- Codeproject MVP 2008-2010
Your best friend is you.
I'm my best friend too. We share the same views, and hardly ever argue
My Blog : sachabarber.net
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PS : I actually think (and would be more than happy if it did) that the Cosmos article should win, that is insanely cool stuff.
Sacha Barber
- Microsoft Visual C# MVP 2008-2010
- Codeproject MVP 2008-2010
Your best friend is you.
I'm my best friend too. We share the same views, and hardly ever argue
My Blog : sachabarber.net
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Its a cool one but there is something in this jeremy's article.....Ahh and i am not GAY
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I am very concerned that your account has been created specifically for posting these messages. It would appear that you are somebody who's article is present in the list - and I know it's not mine or Sacha's. Now, stop making spurious allegations about Sacha's articles - it's not cool; and before you ask, I voted for Sacha's and Marcelo's - they are both far superior to mine and I was surprised to be in this list.
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