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I don't need it but the IT group insists we buy it as "support" since they refuse to support Visual Studio. Our division produces software but the IT group doesn't understand what that means.
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dmjm-h wrote: Our division produces software but the IT group doesn't understand what that means
While it may be sort of true in some situations => look at my signature.
Although most of the "apps" I did were for fun or for easing my daily job/tasks known as "inHouseApps" I still did lot's of things. Some of the biggest include a production DataEntryReporting tool, and a Personel Tracking app that started out a winform app, moved to WPF and already moved to Silverlight. Just waiting for Windows7/IE8 installation. Running SL3 apps in IE6 is NOT a nice thing.
Just to clear things: I'm not saying that programming is easy. Hell no. It's harder than administrating/maintaing most of the times.
But we do know what software means.
Just an irritated, ranting son of ... an IT guy.
At your trolling services
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You can keep your mandate, I'm not interested. 
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We have a mass licence. I had it for a few months in my PC, which was handy, but it bunged up all my available space so I de-installed it. For a while I had the discs lying around so I could let it browse them, but it really wasn't worth the trouble. MSDN is no help at all in the really tricky problems. I get more help here in the Code Project or in my Reference Manual. If I don't find the answer I can ask my colleagues, who often know, or google it.
Great fun with F1 Help: we run Visual Studio in German, so it searches in the German version using English keywords, and generally finds nothing. Stupid thing.
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You misunderstood question obviously. It's not about MSDN Library but about MSDN Subscription (you know - paying yearly fee to get all the latest software from Microsoft for your software development needs).
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Oops. Yes, we have one of those. The admin gets updates and we can download them from the server. We are 80 programmers so it is worth all that money for a mass licence.
We get several languages too, most of my colleagues work with the German version, but I use English. One reason is because help doesn't quite work in German.
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Well it's too late since you cannot re-vote 
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Well, I am sorry I misunderstood the question (was it yours?). But I wasn't the only one, so maybe it could have been put more precisely.
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I'm just kiddin'. 
RedSonja wrote: was it yours?
Nope.
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I often see the option to install but i don't. I guess too much space to worry about?  I think it maybe helpful at times... but i think opinions is better. 
Sir.Dre
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The question is about the MSDN subscription that provides early access to the operating systems and compilers. Not the help that comes along with Visual Studio.
John
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Ok, my misunderstanding. 
Sir.Dre
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The VS 6 MSDN Library was pretty cool in content, organization and speed (even when comparing against todays online capabilities).
However, MSDN has probably quadrupled in content since then, the client sucks, the search sucks, and the UI invents a new way of breaking within 14 days for each installation I ever head.
The subscription contents - too expensive for us.
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While I'm sure that the 'get' part of 'I no longer get MSDN' is intended as the receive meaning, the 'understand' meaning seems to work just as well.
Chris Meech
I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar]
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra]
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On the web I can...
- Send feedback
- Ask question on forums, CodeProject, Stack-Overflow, etc.
- Download samples, tutorials, docs.
So, can anybody having an MSDN subscription say what are its benefits?
Wake up! The Singularity is coming.
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msdn subscribtion is mainly a way to have software legaly and early...
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You get multiple OSes such as Windows XP, 2003, Vista, 2008, and 7 in "multiple languages" to test your applications on. That alone makes it worth it.
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Agree with both above - and for me it avoids complicated charge parsing between the differnt clients I work for. My management pays for the subscription and I can get whatever software I need as soon as it is available. I don't know if I would feel the same way if I were paying for it, but for me it is perfect.
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Once again, question is not about MSDN Library, but MSDN Subscription.
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But they want to do some SP 2010 dev soon, so I guess it wont be long now
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There is a "special" no-MSDN upgrade from VS 2005 and 2008 Professional.
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I am NOT trying to push it
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You know what would be really good? Some free third-party open source IDE...
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Yes, we all lurve Eclipse
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SharpDevelop?
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