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Re: Concatenating all fields in a resultset

Mycroft Holmes14-Apr-10 2:06

14-Apr-10 2:06

I would use a different approach, I presume you can add a new table to the database even if you can't change an existing table.

So have a log table to record changes, depending on requirements it could be as little as and Id, modified and modifiedby columns for each table you are monitoring. Changes can be logged by spit triggers, this is one of the very few valid uses for triggers.

If you need a from => to audit then a more detailed logging process can be implemented.

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH

What is the Best Approach for this Request

Vimalsoft(Pty) Ltd13-Apr-10 0:56

Vimalsoft(Pty) Ltd

13-Apr-10 0:56

Good Day

Application Design

My application is a web application that works on databases. Meaning that there is a login page that has list of Database. A user logs into the database and do whatever on that database. Now a user can create a new Database from the front end and login to it and do whatever the application does, The new Database is created from a Master Database, this simply means that when a user creates a new Database, i do the following.
Create a new Database--> Restore the Master Database over the newly created database. Now this is fine but i have a challenge. My Challenge is that a user can 10 Databases and i will have Different clients from Different geographic places and if i find a bug in a stored procedure or if i want to change on stored procedure , that means i have to go to each client and update every database. i use Redgate to Script the Master Database.

Challenge

I am looking for a Way to Update all the Databases for each SQl instance in a client centrally without connection to a client and do that manually. if the clients are many it takes too much time.

Thanks

Vuyiswa Maseko,

Spoted in Daniweb-- Sorry to rant. I hate websites. They are just wierd. They don't behave like normal code.

C#/VB.NET/ASP.NET/SQL7/2000/2005/2008
http://www.vuyiswamaseko.com
vuyiswa@its.co.za
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Re: What is the Best Approach for this Request

Mycroft Holmes13-Apr-10 2:37

Mycroft Holmes

13-Apr-10 2:37

Holy sh*t, my skin actually crawled as I read this post. Are you freaking nuts, this is the WORST data design you could possibly come up with.

Red-Gate will mitigate the problem, SQL Compare is an excellent product but you are maintaining multiple code bases because you cannot segregate you data within a single database. This is elementary database stuff, your solution stinks, phew, and will/is cause you nightmares.

Vuyiswa Maseko wrote:
Challenge

That's not a challenge that a bloody disaster!

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH

Re: What is the Best Approach for this Request

Vimalsoft(Pty) Ltd13-Apr-10 2:54

Vimalsoft(Pty) Ltd

13-Apr-10 2:54

Mycroft am not sure why you start cursing but i will decide not to be offended by what you just wrote. I think you should look at your forum guideline and revisit rule number 8

http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/1278600/How-to-get-an-answer-to-your-question.aspx[^]

This is a Project i inherited and i must admit a poor decision has been taken from the beginning and we i can see the decesion takers of that project i will definitely shoot one of them, but now it will not help.

Getting back to the problem. To maintain this application this way its a nightmare and i cant run a script to update a database every a user needs to login. Currently am looking for a thought and in the next version of the Software i will be looking at Redesigning the data structure for this application.

Re: What is the Best Approach for this Request

Mycroft Holmes13-Apr-10 4:15

Mycroft Holmes

13-Apr-10 4:15

Vuyiswa Maseko wrote:
This is a Project i inherited

You have my sympathies. Red-Gate have a product for running a script on multiple database from a single point, I have never looked at it as I only have the 3 (dev/UAT/Production) but it may be useful to this nightmare.

I can understand the desire to redesign, the only reason you should have been offended is if you design the structure.

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH

Re: What is the Best Approach for this Request

Vimalsoft(Pty) Ltd13-Apr-10 4:17

Vimalsoft(Pty) Ltd

13-Apr-10 4:17

I understand.

Thank you for your help

Kind Regards

Family Tree Database

vdtrip12-Apr-10 10:06

vdtrip

12-Apr-10 10:06

Hi,
I have a project FamilyTree,it's like a Chain Relation Management.But i have no idea that how i will have to manage Database.Can anybody tell me some ideas for database.
VD

Re: Family Tree Database

Jörgen Andersson12-Apr-10 11:51

Jörgen Andersson

12-Apr-10 11:51

My first thought was this:

create table family_relatives (
	relative_id	integer primary key,
	spouse		references family_relatives,
	mother		references family_relatives,
	father		references family_relatives,
	-- in case they don't know the exact birthdate
	birthyear	integer,
	birthday	date,
	-- sadly, not everyone is still with us
	deathyear	integer,
	first_names	varchar(100) not null,
	last_name	varchar(100) not null,
	sex		char(1) check (sex in ('m','f')),
	-- note the use of multi-column check constraints
	check ( birthyear is not null or birthday is not null)
);

but it lacks a bit. There's no control that your father is male and that your mother is female. And it doesn't keep track on ex-spouses. So one might want to drop the spouse column and add a partner table instead.
Keeping track on that your parents are born before you and not dead at your birth is another one. Or at least the mother, the father might actually be dead at your birth

"When did ignorance become a point of view" - Dilbert

Re: Family Tree Database

Mycroft Holmes12-Apr-10 14:18

Mycroft Holmes

12-Apr-10 14:18

SQL Servers hierarchy ID might be an interating tool to use for this.

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH

Re: Family Tree Database

vdtrip13-Apr-10 1:43

vdtrip

13-Apr-10 1:43

Hi,
How can i use this SQL Server hierarchy ID,please can you explain it.
Thanks

Re: Family Tree Database

J4amieC13-Apr-10 2:11

J4amieC

13-Apr-10 2:11

Google broken where you are?[^]

Re: Family Tree Database

Mycroft Holmes13-Apr-10 2:30

Mycroft Holmes

13-Apr-10 2:30

HierarchyID maitains a parent - child relationhip and may make structuring your data simpler. Do a bit of research in BOL.

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH

SqlDateTime overflow. - Only on one computer out of 5 running the same code

Marcus J. Smith12-Apr-10 9:06

Marcus J. Smith

12-Apr-10 9:06

I have a program that uses SqlBulkCopy to insert data into a staging table for processing. 5 different computers run the same .NET and database code and only one or a couple occasionally will receive the following error:

"SqlDateTime overflow. Must be between 1/1/1753 12:00:00 AM and 12/31/9999 11:59:59 PM."

The exact same data will import correctly for other users as well as myself. There are only valid dates in the fields and I verified that their local database tables match the column order I am expecting. The only thing I can think of is that a memory issue is coming into play here and the data is corrupting internally before import. Is there something else I can look at? I dont understand why the same code has different results.

_Cle^aKO

"Now, a man would have opened both gates, driven through and not bothered to close either gate." - Marc Clifton (The Lounge)

Re: SqlDateTime overflow. - Only on one computer out of 5 running the same code

Mycroft Holmes12-Apr-10 14:15

Mycroft Holmes

12-Apr-10 14:15

Bulk copy is fragile, what we do is ELT, Extract, Load then Transform, change all your staging fields to varchar, use bulk copy to shove the data into the table no matter what the format.

Then use a stored proc to transform the data, you can control and manage a proc better than any load process. This same argument applies to SSIS, get the data in then clean it up. We have found this solution both robust and fast, IMHO transforms during load are a disaster.

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH

determine last patient temprature

Jassim Rahma12-Apr-10 5:49

Jassim Rahma

12-Apr-10 5:49

I am using this code to determine last patient pulse in my vital_signs table.

-- determine pusle;
SET @pulse = (SELECT TOP 1 pulse FROM vital_signs WHERE file_no = @file_no AND visit_id = @visit_id AND pulse IS NOT NULL ORDER BY vital_id DESC)
	
IF (@is_child = 'True' AND (@pulse < (SELECT CONVERT(int, system_param_value) FROM system_parameters WHERE system_param_name = 'VITAL_SIGNS_PULSE_ADULT_CHILD_MIN') OR @pulse > (SELECT CONVERT(int, system_param_value) FROM system_parameters WHERE system_param_name = 'VITAL_SIGNS_PULSE_ADULT_CHILD_MAX')))
BEGIN
	SET @normal_pulse = 'False'
END
ELSE IF (@patient_gender = 'M' AND (@pulse < (SELECT CONVERT(int, system_param_value) FROM system_parameters WHERE system_param_name = 'VITAL_SIGNS_PULSE_ADULT_MALE_MIN') OR @pulse > (SELECT CONVERT(int, system_param_value) FROM system_parameters WHERE system_param_name = 'VITAL_SIGNS_PULSE_ADULT_MALE_MAX')))
BEGIN
	SET @normal_pulse = 'False'
END
ELSE IF (@patient_gender = 'F' AND (@pulse < (SELECT CONVERT(int, system_param_value) FROM system_parameters WHERE system_param_name = 'VITAL_SIGNS_PULSE_ADULT_FEMALE_MIN') OR @pulse > (SELECT CONVERT(int, system_param_value) FROM system_parameters WHERE system_param_name = 'VITAL_SIGNS_PULSE_ADULT_FEMALE_MAX')))
BEGIN
	SET @normal_pulse = 'False'
END

It was so easy as you can see Smile | :)

now I want to do the same for the temprature

but the temperature is more than one field unlike the pulse.. I have the following fields:

temperature_oral
temperature_axillary
temperature_rectal
temperature_tympanic
temperature_skin

How can I do the same code above to check the last temp taken from any field. Only one temp will be taken at at time so i need to get that value and the will compare using the above code...

Re: determine last patient temprature

PIEBALDconsult12-Apr-10 6:13

PIEBALDconsult

12-Apr-10 6:13

The schema you have will lead to trouble. Have the temperature table as a "transaction" sort of table. Then just query for the most recent. Do the same for the pulse, blood pressure, etc.

In fact, probably have one table for all the vital signs, one record per value:

ID, PatientID, TakerID, TimeStamp, ReadingType, Value

Re: determine last patient temprature

Jassim Rahma12-Apr-10 6:27

Jassim Rahma

12-Apr-10 6:27

but changing the table structure now is a major work! any solution with the current structure?

Re: determine last patient temprature

PIEBALDconsult12-Apr-10 9:47

PIEBALDconsult

12-Apr-10 9:47

No, fix it now before it becomes really difficult.

You can always create views to mimic the current schema.

Re: determine last patient temprature

Mycroft Holmes12-Apr-10 14:10

Mycroft Holmes

12-Apr-10 14:10

You are now starting to live with the consequences of lousy data design. This query would be dead simple with a correct data structure.

jrahma wrote:
but changing the table structure now is a major work

If you think it will get any better or take less effort in the future you are insane. The work arounds to service rotten design will mount the longer you leave it, then you need layer more crap on the workarounds, shortly you have a completely unworkable database.

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH

Re: determine last patient temprature

David Mujica12-Apr-10 7:54

David Mujica

12-Apr-10 7:54

I'm a bit confused. Is there a timestamp field in your table ?

If yes, then you want to find the MAX(timestamp) record and find the value of the temperature.

Maybe something with a case statement. (Concept only, syntax is close but not correct)

SELECT TempTaken =
CASE Temperature_oral
WHEN >0 THEN Temperature_Oral
Else
case Temperature_auxillary
When > 0 Then Temperature_Auxillary
End
End
FROM Vital_signs

Repeat the series of case statements for each of the temperature methods.

Good luck. Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

Sql server Identity issue

Pranay Rana12-Apr-10 2:25

Pranay Rana

12-Apr-10 2:25

I have query like below

declare @str_CustomerID int
Insert into IMDECONP38.[Customer].dbo.CustomerMaster
( CustomerName , CustomerAddress , CustomerEmail , CustomerPhone )
values ( ‘werw12e’ , ‘jkj12kj’ , ‘3212423sdf’ , ‘1212121′
)

select @str_CustomerID= scope_identity()
after execution it returns null in my parameter

i want to get value of identity how can i do that

the main issue over here is "IMDECONP38"- server name that i used if i remove this i can able to get the value of identity in my parameter

Re: Sql server Identity issue

Stryder_112-Apr-10 3:05

Stryder_1

12-Apr-10 3:05

Are you running this script connected to server "IMDECONP38" or is that a linked server from which you are running the query?

Re: Sql server Identity issue

Pranay Rana12-Apr-10 23:44

Pranay Rana

12-Apr-10 23:44

yes its from link server

Re: Sql server Identity issue

Stryder_113-Apr-10 3:15

Stryder_1

13-Apr-10 3:15

scope_identity and @@Identity only works on the server its executed on, so it won't return a value from a linked server.

You would need to create a stored proc on the linked server that returns the scope_identity value. You could then call that from your query.

See here for more information:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms187342.aspx

mySQL dataset over VPN [modified]

programmervb.netc++9-Apr-10 11:03

programmervb.netc++

9-Apr-10 11:03

My company has some centers on a VPN connection and I am wondering if there is a way to slim the dataset... I am already selecting minimal columns and rows.
The query gets passed to the server rather quickly but when the data is being passed back it is rather slow.
Any help appreciated.

EDIT~~~this is a simple query with no joins and a single where and the column in the where is indexed.

Humble Programmer

modified on Friday, April 9, 2010 5:15 PM

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