Ilíon - Professional Profile

Chris Maunder wrote[^]:

The Soapbox degenerated into a forum more or less dedicated to US politics and personal bandwagons. It was absolutely pointless to my goal of providing free resources to Software Developers.

However, removing it means that I no longer have a place to move inappropriate posts (I always prefer to move than delete) which means I'm going to be spending all my monitoring the lounge. I want to read and enjoy the lounge, not clean up everyone's mess.

So how about:

1. I create a new forum 'After 8 Lounge' or something. Anything not PG rated goes there. I do miss bad, politically incorrect jokes. Anything totally inappropriate in either of the lounges gets nuked, zero tolerance.

And...

2. I reopen the Soapbox and remove votes and remove the ability for casual members to vote messages off the island. There will be no exposure for the forum (no links from the homepage or menus). The current Soapbox crowd has a private place to vent their spleens. However since many of the members in there are in the US they understand more than anyone the issues of libel laws. We, as a site, cannot promote or implicitely allow anything that violates any of the hate-crime or libel laws. I simply will not allow the site to be legally exposed simply for the sake of a few.

So, in order to participate in the Soapbox you will have to agree, with each post, that you are not violating our Terms of Use. Go nuts, but stay within the ropes.

Further, I'll ask the Soapbox crowd to nominate a few members who will have the right to delete posts.

You guys will have your own self-policed protected corner in which to continue your fun and will yourselves be responsible for ensuring this behaviour is within reason, and that it doesn't spill out on to the rest of the site.

Chris Maunder wrote[^]:

The Soapbox doors are back open and I've snipped the right wire (the red one, not the blue one) to turn off voting.

There is no voting off messages. There are no reds and greys. There is only self policing until I cut a spare set of keys for some other moderators to come in and keep things reasonable.

I will, hopefully, get a chance to do some more updates tomorrow to finalise the changes needed.

Chris Maunder wrote:

until I cut a spare set of keys for some other moderators to come in and keep things reasonable.

Christian Graus wrote[^]:

How does someone who is proud of having no standards, able to have self respect ?

Ilíon wrote[^]:

Christian Graus: If I agreed with the Pope on something, I'd say 'well, I'm not Catholic and the Papacy is a sham, BUT......'

Ilíon: But I'm not "liberal" ... so I don't need to do the shuck-and-jive.

Unlike, say, Edward Keenan (in the review I linked to above), I don't even need to point out that I'm not going to preface a point of agreement by noting my overall disagreement.

Christian Graus wrote[^]:

OK, so you're not 'liberal', so you don't care what people think about you because you have no standards to uphold ? Gotcha.

Ilíon wrote[^]:

Yeah, something like that. Poor thing.

Christian Graus wrote[^]:

Yeah, having standards and values is a real burden.

Ilíon wrote[^]:

And you know this, how?

Christian Graus wrote[^]:

What are you, 8 years old ? You're the one who said you had no standards.

Ilíon wrote[^]:

Christian Graus: What are you, 8 years old ? You're the one who said you had no standards.

Ilíon: You're such a liar.

And so irrational -- you seem to imagine that I have some sort of duty to take you seriously.

Oakman wrote[^]:

Rob has quit CP; I'm pretty close to walking; a number of folks have said that they don't come here any more because of the insane hatred of this forum by Heinze and Hailey, and the kind of response it garners from the rest of us.

I said once that I was considering starting another website called the Soapbox. And Rob just sent me an email suggesting I do so. If I did, it would be set up so anyone could read it, only members coud post; the terms of service would specifically ban being a link monkey and personal attacks, and Ilion and CSS would never be allowed to join.

Is there any interest in my doing this?

Chris Maunder wrote[^]:

You can setup a group and have private discussion boards that only members of your group can post to. If you wish to have other features (ie anyone can read, only members can write) then I can add that fairly simply.

If you do decide to move this forum to another site let me know so I can turn off the lights.

Oakman wrote[^]:

Chris Maunder: If you do decide to move this forum to another site let me know so I can turn off the lights.

Oakman: I wondered if that might not be the case. I should've had the sense to ask

Chris Maunder: You can setup a group and have private discussion boards that only members of your group can post to. If you wish to have other features (ie anyone can read, only members can write) then I can add that fairly simply.

Oakman: As I said, I am not trying to put the Back Room out of business, but sometimes I've gotten the feeling you wish it would go away. The problem is, if BR closes down, the two trolls invade the lounge.